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10-10-2007, 08:15 AM
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Level up: 44%, 128 Points needed | | War on women With tactics like these, the South would have won the Civil War, but unfortunately these tactics are not limited to the South. AlterNet: Anti-Abortion Movement Borrows Tactics from the KKK
"Every state in the Deep South -- Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and South Carolina -- restricts low-income women's access to abortion. Most ban abortion after 12 weeks of pregnancy. None explicitly protect heath care facilities from harassment or violence. All have mandatory delay laws that unfairly burden women who have limited access to transportation and time off work, and Louisiana and South Carolina both passed unconstitutional laws requiring a husband's consent for a married woman's abortion. In the past 16 months, two abortion clinics in Alabama have closed, and new regulations are making it difficult for other clinics to stay open. Now, anti-abortion groups are strategizing ways to outlaw birth control and eliminate sex education.
Michelle Colon, president of the National Organization for Women's (NOW) Mid-South region (Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee) calls it a "war on women" -- the gravity of which citizens in more progressive parts of the country don't appreciate. "The rest of the country kind of writes off the South -- people feel the battle has been lost here," Colon says.....
"At least once a month, I have women who call me and ask whether abortion is legal. That type of misinformation is rampant," says Ayers. "We're in the middle of the Bible Belt. It's not just religion, it's the fanatical religious aspect that keeps stirring people up who are opposed to us."
It's a place where the Christian Coalition holds sway over politicians, and many people vote the way they're told in church. The legislative climate is "very hostile" toward abortion, says Felicia Brown Williams, who oversees Planned Parenthood's advocacy agenda in Mississippi, one of two states with only one abortion clinic.
Mississippi has passed so many laws governing what abortion clinics can and cannot do that it is virtually impossible to open a second clinic without breaking state law. Mississippi requires permission from both parents for women under 18, except in cases of incest. The state's conscience clause allows pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control. And earlier this year the Mississippi legislature passed a "trigger law," immediately making abortion illegal should Roe v. Wade be overturned. "
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10-10-2007, 11:35 AM
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Level up: 44%, 166 Points needed | | Judging by most of the southern women I've seen on T.V. reality shows or live newscasts, I wouldn't want to have sex with them in the first place, so abortion kinda becomes a moot point.
There's just something about a 300 pound woman in pink sweats with only half her teeth, a beer in one hand and a chunk of fried chicken in the other that makes it a little difficult to get my freak on.
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10-10-2007, 11:40 AM
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Level up: 44%, 166 Points needed | | Okay, but seriously, since when is the state making at least a little difficult for a woman to kill the fetus inside her "oppressive" or a "war on women?"
If they really gave a shit about women, perhaps NOW could lead some seminars on teaching young girls about the concept of being a self-respecting and virtuous woman -- that they really don't have to just flop on their backs and spread their legs any time Bubba Bob or Billy Mack shows the slightest interest in them.
And hell, if they can't do that, at least maybe they could work at passing out condoms and teach the young 'uns how to use them.
No, I guess it's just easier to sit around and bitch about how not loving abortion and making at easy as possible to get one is somehow just not "progressive."
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10-10-2007, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mytmouse57 Okay, but seriously, since when is the state making at least a little difficult for a woman to kill the fetus inside her "oppressive" or a "war on women?" Anytime you interfere with the free exercise of someones Constitutional rights, it's oppressive.
If they really gave a shit about women, perhaps NOW could lead some seminars on teaching young girls about the concept of being a self-respecting and virtuous woman -- that they really don't have to just flop on their backs and spread their legs any time Bubba Bob or Billy Mack shows the slightest interest in them. You are aware that unwanted pregnancies don't just happen to 'sluts', aren't you?
And hell, if they can't do that, at least maybe they could work at passing out condoms and teach the young 'uns how to use them. I hardly think that the majority of parents would be pleased if a NOW representative showed up at their door to teach their sons how to use condoms.
No, I guess it's just easier to sit around and bitch about how not loving abortion and making at easy as possible to get one is somehow just not "progressive." | I don't think anyone 'loves' abortion.
But to my mind, it beats that fat trailer park woman you described popping out another WIC baby every year.
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10-10-2007, 12:03 PM
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Level up: 44%, 166 Points needed | | Anytime you interfere with the free exercise of someones Constitutional rights, it's oppressive. Killing your fetus is a "constitutional right?" I don't think it's a "right" in any way, shape or form. A terrible choice that must sometimes be made? Sure, but a "right?" Give me a break. You are aware that unwanted pregnancies don't just happen to 'sluts', aren't you? I'm aware that society pressures young girls into having sex because it doesn't teach them enough self respect. Nearly every woman I've known well enough to talk to about sexual matters has told me she had to endure way too much mediocre or evern downright rotten sex, esp. as a young girl, because she felt obligated to do it. That's bullshit. Women should be taught to think more highly of themselves than that.
And if they really do want to have sex, demanding that Bubba Mack wrap his wacker first is also a gesture of self-respect that young girls should learn. I hardly think that the majority of parents would be pleased if a NOW representative showed up at their door to teach their sons how to use condoms. Maybe parents needing to get the hell over themselves is part of the problem. Guess what, parents, your teenager, and mine, get just as horny as we did at that age. And sometimes, they gonna do some fucking!! Can't deal with that reality? Well, tough... try dealing with an unwanted grandchild or your daughter getting an abortion. As Dr. Phil would say... "how's that workin' for ya?" I don't think anyone 'loves' abortion. I think NOW loves it, because it can be (exuse the pun) such a great poster child for them.
But to my mind, it beats that fat trailer park woman you described popping out another WIC baby every year. I pitty the man who had sex with her... LOL. But again... rubbers could go a long way.. when self-respect and self-restraint are simply abscent.
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Originally Posted by mytmouse57 Judging by most of the southern women I've seen on T.V. reality shows or live newscasts, I wouldn't want to have sex with them in the first place, so abortion kinda becomes a moot point.
There's just something about a 300 pound woman in pink sweats with only half her teeth, a beer in one hand and a chunk of fried chicken in the other that makes it a little difficult to get my freak on. | If your stereotyping is a commonly held view, I'm going to claim to be from the Southwest. Maybe you would change your mind about southern women if you had seen a picture of Catus Felidae.
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Originally Posted by mytmouse57 Anytime you interfere with the free exercise of someones Constitutional rights, it's oppressive. Killing your fetus is a "constitutional right?" I don't think it's a "right" in any way, shape or form. A terrible choice that must sometimes be made? Sure, but a "right?" Give me a break. You are aware that unwanted pregnancies don't just happen to 'sluts', aren't you? I'm aware that society pressures young girls into having sex because it doesn't teach them enough self respect. Nearly every woman I've known well enough to talk to about sexual matters has told me she had to endure way too much mediocre or evern downright rotten sex, esp. as a young girl, because she felt obligated to do it. That's bullshit. Women should be taught to think more highly of themselves than that.
And if they really do want to have sex, demanding that Bubba Mack wrap his wacker first is also a gesture of self-respect that young girls should learn. I hardly think that the majority of parents would be pleased if a NOW representative showed up at their door to teach their sons how to use condoms. Maybe parents needing to get the hell over themselves is part of the problem. Guess what, parents, your teenager, and mine, get just as horny as we did at that age. And sometimes, they gonna do some fucking!! Can't deal with that reality? Well, tough... try dealing with an unwanted grandchild or your daughter getting an abortion. As Dr. Phil would say... "how's that workin' for ya?" I don't think anyone 'loves' abortion. I think NOW loves it, because it can be (exuse the pun) such a great poster child for them.
But to my mind, it beats that fat trailer park woman you described popping out another WIC baby every year. I pitty the man who had sex with her... LOL. But again... rubbers could go a long way.. when self-respect and self-restraint are simply abscent. | I agree 100% with what you say Myt. We gotta meet over a cup of caffeine one day.
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Originally Posted by mytmouse57 Anytime you interfere with the free exercise of someones Constitutional rights, it's oppressive. Killing your fetus is a "constitutional right?" I don't think it's a "right" in any way, shape or form. A terrible choice that must sometimes be made? Sure, but a "right?" Give me a break. | What you 'think' isn't relevant in any way, shape, or form, since SCOTUS declared that it is a woman's Constitutional right to have an abortion if she needs/wants one. And since SCOTUS is the highest authority on the law in this country, I take their word on it way above yours.
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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady What you 'think' isn't relevant in any way, shape, or form, since SCOTUS declared that it is a woman's Constitutional right to have an abortion if she needs/wants one. And since SCOTUS is the highest authority on the law in this country, I take their word on it way above yours.
Your opinion is irrelevant. | Obviously the pro-abortion folk think that "highest authority in the land" can be swayed. They get absolutely terrified every time a judge needs to be replaced. "Opinions" is all they have too.
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Originally Posted by mytmouse57 Okay, but seriously, since when is the state making at least a little difficult for a woman to kill the fetus inside her "oppressive" or a "war on women?" | It appears to me that most of the regulations cited were designed specifically to place a "substantial obstacle" in the path of a woman seeking an abortion. Roe Revisited ¤¤¤, Roe v. Wade, Landmark Supreme Court Cases The Court stated that a regulation places an “undue burden” on access to abortion when “a state regulation has the purpose or effect of placing a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion of a nonviable fetus.” Quote:
If they really gave a shit about women, perhaps NOW could lead some seminars on teaching young girls about the concept of being a self-respecting and virtuous woman -- that they really don't have to just flop on their backs and spread their legs any time Bubba Bob or Billy Mack shows the slightest interest in them.
And hell, if they can't do that, at least maybe they could work at passing out condoms and teach the young 'uns how to use them
| As the article stated, the religious right is opposed to comprehensive sex ed in schools and even birth control. They are also opposed to teaching "self esteem", another term for self-respecting.
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