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Old 10-17-2007, 08:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Africans Less Intelligent than Westerners?
Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners - Independent Online Edition > Science & Tech

Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners

Celebrated scientist attacked for race comments: "All our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really"

By Cahal Milmo

Published: 17 October 2007



One of the world's most eminent scientists was embroiled in an extraordinary row last night after he claimed that black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that "equal powers of reason" were shared across racial groups was a delusion.
James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made ahead of his arrival in Britain today for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London.
The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.
The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission, successor to the Commission for Racial Equality, said it was studying Dr Watson's remarks " in full". Dr Watson told The Sunday Times that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really". He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".
His views are also reflected in a book published next week, in which he writes: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."
The furore echoes the controversy created in the 1990s by The Bell Curve, a book co-authored by the American political scientist Charles Murray, which suggested differences in IQ were genetic and discussed the implications of a racial divide in intelligence. The work was heavily criticised across the world, in particular by leading scientists who described it as a work of " scientific racism".
Dr Watson arrives in Britain today for a speaking tour to publicise his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science. Among his first engagements is a speech to an audience at the Science Museum organised by the Dana Centre, which held a discussion last night on the history of scientific racism.
Critics of Dr Watson said there should be a robust response to his views across the spheres of politics and science. Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said: "It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments. I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson's personal prejudices.
"These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exists at the highest professional levels."
The American scientist earned a place in the history of great scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s and formed part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA. He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.
But despite serving for 50 years as a director of the Cold Spring Harbour Laboratory on Long Island, considered a world leader in research into cancer and genetics, Dr Watson has frequently courted controversy with some of his views on politics, sexuality and race. The respected journal Science wrote in 1990: "To many in the scientific community, Watson has long been something of a wild man, and his colleagues tend to hold their collective breath whenever he veers from the script."
In 1997, he told a British newspaper that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual. He later insisted he was talking about a "hypothetical" choice which could never be applied. He has also suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, positing the theory that black people have higher libidos, and argued in favour of genetic screening and engineering on the basis that " stupidity" could one day be cured. He has claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would great."
The Cold Spring Harbour Laboratory said yesterday that Dr Watson could not be contacted to comment on his remarks.
Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University and a founder member of the Society for Social Responsibility in Science, said: " This is Watson at his most scandalous. He has said similar things about women before but I have never heard him get into this racist terrain. If he knew the literature in the subject he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."
Anti-racism campaigners called for Dr Watson's remarks to be looked at in the context of racial hatred laws. A spokesman for the 1990 Trust, a black human rights group, said: "It is astonishing that a man of such distinction should make comments that seem to perpetuate racism in this way. It amounts to fuelling bigotry and we would like it to be looked at for grounds of legal complaint."
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You know, you have to wonder if there ARE variations in the average intellectual capacity of different races of humans. On an individual basis, intelligence has a wide range, but just as there are differences in average height, average athletic ability, and other aspects, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some truth to that statement.

To deny it offhand as "perpetuating racism" would be irrational.

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You know, you have to wonder if there ARE variations in the intellectual capacity of different races of humans. On an individual basis, intelligence has a wide range, but just as there are differences in average height, average athletic ability, and other aspects, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some truth to that statement.

To deny it offhand as "perpetuating racism" would be irrational.
It says black people have higher libidos. When are you going to shag Ann Coulter?
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It says black people have higher libidos. When are you going to shag Ann Coulter?
Not at this time, but when I was single, I've done worse.

Here's another "theory" about intelligence...
http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Pub...jbiosocsci.pdf

Are Jews smarter than everybody? Or is this guy just racist?

And here's what happens when you present "research" that you aren't "supposed" to do.
American Renaissance News: Racial IQ Research

Bullshit. Why hide the truth if that's what it is? And if he's wrong, do more "research" and prove it.

I really want to go through that article and give my opinion on it...but I'm not...especially this part..

"He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true"."

My wife who has managed three different businesses and spent time as a waitress has enlightened me to several things that she has noticed about different ethnicities including us black folk. And not all of them are complimentary.

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White people might be more "clever," but historically, we've also been the most destructive and the most self-destructive.

And look at World War One, for example. What other race would have thought...."Hmmm, you know what would be fun, guys? How about we dig a bunch of trenches in France and then for.. oh, say about four years, we can shoot, bomb, gas and bayonet one another by the millions!"

Ha, there's some "white supremacy" for ya.
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White people might be more "clever," but historically, we've also been the most destructive and the most self-destructive.

And look at World War One, for example. What other race would have thought...."Hmmm, you know what would be fun, guys? How about we dig a bunch of trenches in France and then for.. oh, say about four years, we can shoot, bomb, gas and bayonet one another by the millions!"

Ha, there's some "white supremacy" for ya.
Any cruise on youtube reveals which race likes blowing crap up the most. I haven't seen any black guys with a "Works bomb". Although it does look like fun.
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It says black people have higher libidos. When are you going to shag Ann Coulter?
LOL.
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If the guys says that Africans are less intelligent than Westerners, then why are there missionaries in Africa teaching? I know of four people who are missionaries teaching in Uganda and Rwanda.
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I thought the most intelligent people were of pure Aryan decent (whatever that is).
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I thought the most intelligent people were of pure Aryan decent (whatever that is).
I think Larry the Cable Guy is a shining example of pure Aryan decent.
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