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Old 10-29-2007, 06:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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how to save the world maybe
my dream of building a particaptory society is based on grassroots organizing through volunteering. I have planned out how this new spiritual society could replace consumerism and capitalism. We wouldn't need money, private property, or representative politics. We could create a direct democracy using the internet and give communities the control over the land. Imagine a internet based democracy where everyone can deliver the next presidential speech. This new utopia would grow their own food in gardens. Remember God gave us a Garden in the begining. If we want to save the world we must perserve it. Capitalism seeks to exploit and profit of it and us. We are in desperate need now of a drastic driven harmonious intervention. Are you willing to save the world or stop mass extinction from occuring as it has unchecked. Remember that you must start low to climb a mountain. We must begin all over again in the garden.

your skepticism and cynicism are a result of being disenfrancised from the political system. Lets face it, only the elite can run for high office. Well dont you think a direct democracy could empower us and renew the creative spirit of the American people? Why do you think its ok to bash an alternative to capitalism and consumerism as if the worlds not being destroyed by blind arrogance and ignorance? A utopia could work and it has to work if we make a transparent government than all can equally particapate in. We have to get rid of private property so that the land can be optimally managed by consensus from those that live there. With this plan, is not a condition of slave wagery or the creation of false identities with consumer goods. Instead we would start a realtionship with the plant kingdom and animal kingdom by praying and loving our plants. Here is something we havent tried and it could systematically remove hatred and war from the forfront of society forever. why live in a system based on competition when we can actually cooperate and let love be the guiding force?

i have pointed out that the cause of our problems is this being a man made world. the solution is simple; end capitalism and consumerism and replace it with a particapatory society based on volunteerism. Begin a new relationship with nature that will teach us how emotionally intellengent she really is. Are we forgetting that god created the plant and animal kingdoms? nature is much more emotionally intelligent than we are. Nature isn't unconcious, its concious. Only by loving nature will we begin to see less mental health problems and less global warming. The clean technologies are already designed, it just takes money to spend us there. Wouldn't u rather get rid of money altogether, and as an empowered society, use volunteer groups to manufacture all the clean technology our society needs? With a cause as great as saving the world, millions will work hard to get us there. We are the generation that was born to solve these problems. The elite are hellbent on making things worse. So lets get rid of elite control, create a direct democracy and begin in the garden as Adam and Eve.
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Try Twin Oaks Intentional Community Homepage.

I'm not sure about the whole internet idea as a way of applying egalitarianism to broader society. Sounds like it could potentially corrupt the process as opposed to make it work (happened with voting machines, why wouldn't it happen here?).

I have my doubts about whether 'utopia' will ever be possible. But I'm sure that better systems are possible, and there's nothing wrong about devising a better system than capitalism.
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Would there be sports allowed in this new world paradigm for peace?

And could there still be Little League?

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well you have a fear that it could be corrupted. do you think its possible to corrupt a direct democracy, where the system is decentralized, transparent, and ideas and inititatives are supported or encouraged by smiles which count as votes? The ideas that recieve the most smiles would sit ontop of a totum pole of ideas and in a seperate area initiatives, where the volunteers would go and get engaged or informed, and than decide in which ways they can best contribute.

now i'm not arguing for an egaliratarian society. i think we should tear down the old cities because without buisness, their is very little to make them attractive to stay and live in. I instead would offer plans as would many people in an effort to create new cities, where people would live in higher concentration surrounded by wild habitat or community created gardens. ideas i have for these new cities are cities above the sea, powered by the tides, wind, and sun. underground cities mostly for sleeping. but as for social activity, we could create free zones where children could play all the best games uptodate and adult zones where people could freely socialize and play or whatever.

but as for the rural communites, i would hope that they could be encouraged to develop a relationship with the plant kingdom and begin to pray to the plants in their gardens. its been shown by a community in findhorn, scottland that we can cooperate with the plant kingdom and begin a dialog. read the book, the magic of findhorn. its a great book.
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as for social activity, we could create free zones where children could play all the best games uptodate and adult zones where people could freely socialize and play or whatever.
I believe that certain competition is both right and good. It can stretch the human spirit, even as in athletic competition, it stretches the physical to new limits.

But once competition is brought in to any social entity, you will have the nature of struggle. Jealousies, contentions, cheating, fear and insecurity, pride and disregard for others.

And just think of all those fathers watching Little League, wanting some vicarious satisfaction for their own athletic pursuits of bygone days!

So what is this utopia again? Home : 17 Visitors: 3 ???

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yes competition will occur in this utopia in the think tank and in the initiative organization site. ideas and initiatives will be competing for smiles. only the best and brightest of these sorts will recieve support because they will be selfless, of for and by the people. this politcal system is ideal because it enables to serve eachother, and to be real particapants instead of being reduced to just observers where only the members to get elected to high office attended skull and bones or the bildurburg meetings. theres really nothing to fear in my system and its incorruptable. muahah its a trick dont listen to me
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... muahah its a trick dont listen to me
Not to worry...lavisod.

Your utopia is not for a simple girl like me. I don't want think tanks and such. I'd rather think a utopia was like a walk on a sunny day, watching the clouds telling stories...

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