Ads Attack NJ Gays Using Children's Voices

tristanrobin · 11-30-2007, 07:18 AM

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Political Ads Attack New Jersey Gays by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff
Posted: November 29, 2007 - 5:00 pm ET
(Trenton, New Jersey) A conservative group opposed to same-sex marriage has launched radio ads throughout New Jersey using children's voices to denounce gay unions.
The ads begin with an announcer saying "If we change the definition of marriage.." but is interrupted by a child.
"Grandma, my teacher said if grandpa was a girl that's ok, you can still be married,'" the voice says.
The announcer then returns to say: "Our kids will be taught a new way of thinking: 'God creating Adam and Eve is so old-fashioned.'"
"Thinking the unthinkable: 'If my dad married a man, who would be my mom?'"
The ads were paid for by the National Organization for Marriage.
The group says it is hoping to encourage people to call their state lawmakers urging them to block an effort to legalize same-sex marriage during the lame duck session of the Legislature.
A number of state Democrats have proposed bringing in a bill that would change civil unions to marriage.
New Jersey Senate President Richard Codey said that the National Organization for Marriage is wasting its money.
No vote on gay marriage will be taken during the remainder of the session.
That assurance was welcomed by New Jersey's largest LGBT civil rights group. Garden State Equality said it will use the time to build support for changing the civil union law.
GSE chair Steven Goldstein said the key is the makeup of the new legislature, set to take office in January.
In this month's election New Jersey Democrats increased their already dominance in the state legislature. In the Senate it is now 23 - 17 for the Democrats, the party already has an overwhelming majority in the House.
Goldstein said in the new Senate "We'll be 19 Senators who are solid 'yes' votes or leans 'yes' votes, with our needing 21 votes to win. In the incoming Assembly - where vote counts in a larger body can vary more - we can project at least 39 solidly 'yes' votes or leans 'yes' votes, with our needing 41 votes to win."
"We put a ton of resources into the 2007 elections and it paid off. There will be no excuses to pass a marriage equality bill in 2008," Goldstein said.
On October 25, 2006, the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled that same-sex couples must have the rights as opposite-sex married couples but the court left it to the legislature to decide whether that should be done through marriage or civil unions.
Lawmakers chose civil unions, and gay and lesbian couples married in areas where same-sex marriage is legal, were regarded as in a civil union in New Jersey. The law went into effect in February. (story)
But since then there has been a growing body of evidence that civil unions are not doing what the Supreme Court ordered.
A state commission set up by the legislature to monitor the civil union law has heard dozens of complaints from same-sex couples that companies are not providing them with health insurance that is available to married couples.

... so much for the "equality" of civil unions vs. marriage. When will this country learn that separate is never equal?

tristanrobin · 11-30-2007, 08:03 AM

ah ... I love my horoscope today

Gemini (5/21-6/21)

Standing up for yourself today is not only going to be essential, it will be lots of fun! Few things are as rewarding as telling someone who thinks they know how you should run your life better than you do to take a long hike off a short pier. When you say your piece, expect some applause to erupt from the peanut gallery. People have been eager for someone to take a stand, and they will be so glad that it's you!

Now, I wonder what that could possibly mean?

garysher · 11-30-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

But since then there has been a growing body of evidence that civil unions are not doing what the Supreme Court ordered.
A state commission set up by the legislature to monitor the civil union law has heard dozens of complaints from same-sex couples that companies are not providing them with health insurance that is available to married couples.

Yet further proof, as if it were needed, that the homosexual community sees the sacred institution of marriage as nothing more than a means of extracting more benefits from employers and the State.

... so much for the "equality" of civil unions vs. marriage. When will this country learn that separate is never equal?

You seem to have overlooked the blatantly obvious truism that a same sex couple is NOT the same as a mixed sex couple??

garysher · 11-30-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

ah ... I love my horoscope today

Gemini (5/21-6/21)

Standing up for yourself today is not only going to be essential, it will be lots of fun! Few things are as rewarding as telling someone who thinks they know how you should run your life better than you do to take a long hike off a short pier. When you say your piece, expect some applause to erupt from the peanut gallery. People have been eager for someone to take a stand, and they will be so glad that it's you!

Now, I wonder what that could possibly mean?

It means that it's time for you to behave like a man.

Take a stand for what you believe, don't run away and hide under a rock (aka an ignore feature!).

englishsunflower · 11-30-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

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Political Ads Attack New Jersey Gays by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff
Posted: November 29, 2007 - 5:00 pm ET
(Trenton, New Jersey) A conservative group opposed to same-sex marriage has launched radio ads throughout New Jersey using children's voices to denounce gay unions.
The ads begin with an announcer saying "If we change the definition of marriage.." but is interrupted by a child.
"Grandma, my teacher said if grandpa was a girl that's ok, you can still be married,'" the voice says.
The announcer then returns to say: "Our kids will be taught a new way of thinking: 'God creating Adam and Eve is so old-fashioned.'"
"Thinking the unthinkable: 'If my dad married a man, who would be my mom?'"
The ads were paid for by the National Organization for Marriage.
The group says it is hoping to encourage people to call their state lawmakers urging them to block an effort to legalize same-sex marriage during the lame duck session of the Legislature.
A number of state Democrats have proposed bringing in a bill that would change civil unions to marriage.
New Jersey Senate President Richard Codey said that the National Organization for Marriage is wasting its money.
No vote on gay marriage will be taken during the remainder of the session.
That assurance was welcomed by New Jersey's largest LGBT civil rights group. Garden State Equality said it will use the time to build support for changing the civil union law.
GSE chair Steven Goldstein said the key is the makeup of the new legislature, set to take office in January.
In this month's election New Jersey Democrats increased their already dominance in the state legislature. In the Senate it is now 23 - 17 for the Democrats, the party already has an overwhelming majority in the House.
Goldstein said in the new Senate "We'll be 19 Senators who are solid 'yes' votes or leans 'yes' votes, with our needing 21 votes to win. In the incoming Assembly - where vote counts in a larger body can vary more - we can project at least 39 solidly 'yes' votes or leans 'yes' votes, with our needing 41 votes to win."
"We put a ton of resources into the 2007 elections and it paid off. There will be no excuses to pass a marriage equality bill in 2008," Goldstein said.
On October 25, 2006, the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled that same-sex couples must have the rights as opposite-sex married couples but the court left it to the legislature to decide whether that should be done through marriage or civil unions.
Lawmakers chose civil unions, and gay and lesbian couples married in areas where same-sex marriage is legal, were regarded as in a civil union in New Jersey. The law went into effect in February. (story)
But since then there has been a growing body of evidence that civil unions are not doing what the Supreme Court ordered.
A state commission set up by the legislature to monitor the civil union law has heard dozens of complaints from same-sex couples that companies are not providing them with health insurance that is available to married couples.

... so much for the "equality" of civil unions vs. marriage. When will this country learn that separate is never equal?

If the state doesn't act to make these companies and health inc. providers follow the law it will never work.
To me going state by state trying to pass civil unions/marriage is not the answer.There are times when the gov.has to make the decision.I know that will never happen for a long while but it will have to happen before same-sex couples can become equal.
Do you think that the UK would have passed civil partnership if they went county by county? The gov made the decision and now that it is done it is excepted.
There will come a time when the U.S. will be called on the carpet about there equal rights violations.

tristanrobin · 11-30-2007, 02:31 PM

garysher · 11-30-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by englishsunflower

There will come a time when the U.S. will be called on the carpet about there equal rights violations.

Given that rights accrue to individuals, and not couples or any other grouping, we would be interested to hear what "rights" you feel are being violated?

mytmouse57 · 11-30-2007, 05:12 PM

Hmmm... "attack gays using children's voices."

Hyperbole, anybody?

It's not as if the ad has kids screaming..."ohhhhh!!! Queers are ICKY!!!"

THAT would be an attack on gays.

This ad makes (what I would say are unsound) arguments against gay marriage, and uses children to make the point.

And, um, children being used as political leverage is news since when?

Oh, and we all know children have NEVER been used by the pro-gay marriage side!
(And if I have a bridge for sale too.)

tristanrobin · 11-30-2007, 06:46 PM

actually, myt, the part of the article that I highlighted in bold red is what I was really posting about. The ad is just more same old same old been there done that.

fxashun · 11-30-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by englishsunflower

There will come a time when the U.S. will be called on the carpet about there equal rights violations.

When you have countries that still hang people for being gay, that time is a long way off. And since the U.S. owns the carpet, who is gonna do the calling?

The U.S. position on the matter is still the majority among most countries. Wiki has a helpful map on the subject.
Same-sex marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It kills me how this minute minority of the world population has pushed their point into an uproar in a few countries and then some of them buy their own hype that the rest of the world cares.