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Old 12-01-2007, 07:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Man, Christian Coalition Guilty in Canadian Human Rights Gay Case
Man, Christian Coalition Guilty In Canadian Human Rights Gay Case by The Canadian Press
Posted: November 30, 2007 - 7:30 pm ET
(Calgary, Alberta) An Alberta man who has pressed for five years to get an anti-gay letter branded as hate literature won a victory Friday with a human rights commission ruling that said it broke provincial law and may even have played a role in the beating of a gay teenager.
The letter, written by Stephen Boissoin and published in the Red Deer Advocate in 2002, carried the headline ``Homosexual agenda wicked'' and suggested gays were as immoral as pedophiles, drug dealers and pimps. (hmmm. Now where on the internet could I possibly have read such statements being made - and some people finding them clever?)

Darren Lund, a high school teacher in Red Deer at the time, complained to the Alberta Human Rights Commission after the teenager was beaten in the city two weeks after the letter was published.
In Friday's ruling, commission panel chairwoman Lori Andreachuk said both Boissoin and the Concerned Christian Coalition to which he belonged broke provincial human rights law by likely exposing gays to hatred and contempt.
``I find that there is a circumstantial connection between the hate speech of Mr. Boissoin and the CCC and the beating of a gay teenager in Red Deer less than two weeks following the publication of Mr. Boissoin's letter,'' Andreachuk wrote.
Lund, now a professor in Calgary, welcomed the ruling, saying it sends a strong ruling that the rights of everyone in the province will be protected.
``I realized that this kind of talk in public is dangerous,'' he said in explaining his reason for filing the complaint. ``It actually promotes a climate that makes these kids even more vulnerable than they already are.'' (hmmm. Now where did I read that people who spew hate-mongering and vicious comments are part of the problem of hate crimes?)

The commission will hold a hearing at a later date to decide on what remedies it will impose.
If a fine is levied, Lund said he'd like to see the money go to the Alberta Teachers Association's diversity, equity and rights committee.
``And some kind of meaningful apology that a line was crossed here, and (that) words like that are likely to cause people to experience hatred, as the panel chair has ruled today.''
Lund himself has been the target of death threats and hate mail over the affair.
''It's really disturbing the lengths people to go to express their hatred, I guess.''
The panel ruling suggested that human rights law is a reasonable limit on freedom of expression.
``It is, in my view, nonsensical to enact broad and paramount and remedial legislation, such as human rights legislation, to protect the dignity and human rights of Albertans, only to have it overridden by the expression of opinion in all forms,'' Andreachuk wrote.
During the panel's hearing earlier this year, Boissoin testified that Craig Chandler _ another member of the coalition who recently won a provincial Progressive Conservative nomination in Calgary _ was aware of and supported what he was doing.
Tory officials are scheduled to review Chandler's nomination on Saturday.


Of course, with our constitution, this kind of case will never come to fruition here. But I'm happy to see that some countries find all their citizens of value.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd like to see the letter before I pass judgment. I have seen literature from the "Family" protection groups that I seriously disagree with. But just saying there is no connection between gay people and pedophiles can be easily refuted. Drug dealing and pimping though? Unless someone is born with a abnormal urge that forces them to sell drugs and recruit women to pay him the money for having sex with other men, I can't see a connection between those things.
But then again, if the hooker does it for free in mens restrooms.....well I guess then she wouldn't be a hooker just a ho.
But this is just what Myt has always said he was against. I'm sure he has a couple pennies to share on this thread.

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Old 12-01-2007, 09:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well, I found it. Can't say that I disagree with him on much there...And I agree with most. Here it is. And saying that it caused that crime 2 weeks later as if no gay person has never been the target of violence is bullshit.

But "declaring war"??!!! Hmmm....Makes him sound a bit wacky.

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Homosexual Agenda Wicked

June 17, 2002

The following is not intended for those who are suffering from an unwanted sexual identity crisis. For you, I have understanding, care, compassion and tolerance. I sympathize with you and offer you my love and fellowship. I prayerfully beseech you to seek help, and I assure you that your present enslavement to homosexuality can be remedied. Many outspoken, former homosexuals are free today.

Instead, this is aimed precisely at every individual that in any way supports the homosexual machine that has been mercilessly gaining ground in our society since the 1960s. I cannot pity you any longer and remain inactive. You have caused far too much damage.

My banner has now been raised and war has been declared so as to defend the precious sanctity of our innocent children and youth, that you so eagerly toil, day and night, to consume. With me stand the greatest weapons that you have encountered to date - God and the "Moral Majority." Know this, we will defeat you, then heal the damage that you have caused. Modern society has become dispassionate to the cause of righteousness. Many people are so apathetic and desensitized today that they cannot even accurately define the term "morality."

The masses have dug in and continue to excuse their failure to stand against horrendous atrocities such as the aggressive propagation of homo- and bisexuality. Inexcusable justifications such as, "I'm just not sure where the truth lies," or "If they don't affect me then I don't care what they do," abound from the lips of the quantifiable majority.

Face the facts, it is affecting you. Like it or not, every professing heterosexual is have their future aggressively chopped at the roots.

Edmund Burke's observation that, "All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," has been confirmed time and time again. From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators.

Our children are being victimized by repugnant and premeditated strategies, aimed at desensitizing and eventually recruiting our young into their camps. Think about it, children as young as five and six years of age are being subjected to psychologically and physiologically damaging pro-homosexual literature and guidance in the public school system; all under the fraudulent guise of equal rights.

Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that men kissing men is appropriate.

Your teenagers are being instructed on how to perform so-called safe same gender oral and anal sex and at the same time being told that it is normal, natural and even productive. Will your child be the next victim that tests homosexuality positive?

Come on people, wake up! It's time to stand together and take whatever steps are necessary to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn. Where homosexuality flourishes, all manner of wickedness abounds.

Regardless of what you hear, the militant homosexual agenda isn't rooted in protecting homosexuals from "gay bashing." The agenda is clearly about homosexual activists that include, teachers, politicians, lawyers, Supreme Court judges, and God forbid, even so-called ministers, who are all determined to gain complete equality in our nation and even worse, our world.

Don't allow yourself to be deceived any longer. These activists are not morally upright citizens, concerned about the best interests of our society. They are perverse, self-centered and morally deprived individuals who are spreading their psychological disease into every area of our lives. Homosexual rights activists and those that defend them, are just as immoral as the pedophiles, drug dealers and pimps that plague our communities.

The homosexual agenda is not gaining ground because it is morally backed. It is gaining ground simply because you, Mr. and Mrs. Heterosexual, do nothing to stop it. It is only a matter of time before some of these morally bankrupt individuals such as those involved with NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Lovers Association, will achieve their goal to have sexual relations with children and assert that it is a matter of free choice and claim that we are intolerant bigots not to accept it.

If you are reading this and think that this is alarmist, then I simply ask you this: how bad do things have to become before you will get involved? It's time to start taking back what the enemy has taken from you. The safety and future of our children is at stake.

Rev Stephen Boissoin

I especially agree with his sentiment that the climate of moral indifference (Nutty???) that is permeating our society is not a good thing.

Alberta pastor's human rights hearing coming up

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CTV.ca | Tory linked to anti-gay letter refused nomination

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My banner has now been raised and war has been declared so as to defend the precious sanctity of our innocent children and youth, that you so eagerly toil, day and night, to consume.

Ugh, more "Gays want your kids" BS. I guess the best way to instill fear unto to the masses these days is to make fictitious threats at their children.

With me stand the greatest weapons that you have encountered to date - God and the "Moral Majority." Know this, we will defeat you, then heal the damage that you have caused. Modern society has become dispassionate to the cause of righteousness. Many people are so apathetic and desensitized today that they cannot even accurately define the term "morality."

What is this about another war? Another? Ugh, we've already got the War on Drugs, War on Poverty, the War on Terror, and probably a few others to deal with. How about we do something about one of the aforementioned wars before continuing on ok? I will not believe in such a war, this war on Socially Conservative Evangelical Christian values, for there has been no official declaration of war drawn up. However, speaking of fictitious wars, someone has finally gotten a bit formal about the "War on Christmas" lol. (Sorry it's a couple of years old hehe.)

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I thought Canada's law protected religious freedom?? How about it CF??? What now????
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BTW I didnt see a single sentence in that letter that would lead one to believe he is endorsing violence.
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Mike;
To some people, teachiing homosexuality is "normal" in high school is as much of an attack as teaching "safe sex". If you have taught your children that homosexual relationships are fringe behaviors by a fringe of society, the last thing you want is for your your school to "teach" that this abnormality is "normal". In their eyes, I can see where they might take that as an "attack" on the values that they teach their children.
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To some people, teachiing homosexuality is "normal" in high school is as much of an attack as teaching "safe sex". If you have taught your children that homosexual relationships are fringe behaviors by a fringe of society, the last thing you want is for your your school to "teach" that this abnormality is "normal". In their eyes, I can see where they might take that as an "attack" on the values that they teach their children.

Indeed fx. We do feel attacked. To the point where "momma bear" comes out in me. Leave my children outta your damn perversion.
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Indeed fx. We do feel attacked. To the point where "momma bear" comes out in me. Leave my children outta your damn perversion.
Grace, is that because you are afraid that your children might "choose" to turn gay?
Or is it because they might learn tolerance and acceptance for people that you have confined to your scale of judgment and condemnation, and heck...maybe, just maybe your kids might want to take some new friends to church with them?

And how would you feel, if your son or daughter took two new friends to church, say two guys who walked into the sanctuary holding hands?

Personally I feel that the schools are promoting tolerance and acceptance of all in their student body. A good measure to disarm those who otherwise are treated as the "damned perverse" ( to quote ya)

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It is only a matter of time before some of these morally bankrupt individuals such as those involved with NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Lovers Association, will achieve their goal to have sexual relations with children and assert that it is a matter of free choice and claim that we are intolerant bigots not to accept it.
This is the kind of vicious dishonesty which people like Grace are either too lazy or incapable of finding out the truth about.

First, NAMBLA is, by all accounts, a defunct organization (which was never that big to begin with - in fact, until the religious right wing extremists started advertising it, I don't know anybody who even knew it existed - another thumbs up for the zealots!...they made a tiny, unknown pervert club a world wide famous name! Jesus would be so proud). This group was bankrupted by a court case over a decade ago, and - by all reports I've read about - is nothing more than a p.o.box somewhere. They don't even produce a newsletter any longer.

Secondly, the vast overwhelming majority of pedophiles are heterosexual. PERIOD. The idea that some rabidly prejudiced bigot is saying that gay people are going to "get" children is dishonest on SO many levels. All reports conclude that most child abuse is perpetrated by FAMILY members - most is perpetrated by HETEROSEXUAL MEN - and to suggest otherwise is a damnable lie. Whoever does this - especially in the name of RELIGION - would do better to study that "bearing false witness" commandment.

I wish that people who read this stuff and applaud it (like Grace here), would AT LEAST have the motivation, honesty, integrity and curiosity to FIND OUT THE TRUTH instead of agreeing with something for no reason other than it is easier to validate an irrational already-formed prejudice.

But - I suppose we have to face it - in America that is never going to happen.
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