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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/5349444.html
A Texan, Joe Horn, shot two black unarmed illegal immigrants in cold blood after he witnessed them about to rob a neighbour's house, despite the pleadings of the local police 911 operator for him not to get involved.
Should he be tried for murder or should he run for President?
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Originally Posted by indago  They had already robbed the house and were leaving with a bag of goodies... | So that justifies killing them in cold blood?
Even after the police dispatcher said that it's not worth taking a life just for property?
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Originally Posted by garysher So that justifies killing them in cold blood?
Even after the police dispatcher said that it's not worth taking a life just for property?
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Calm down, Mary. Horn said they were coming at him in a threatening manner. Were you there?
How do you know that isn't true?
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Calm down, Mary. Horn said they were coming at him in a threatening manner. Were you there?
How do you know that isn't true?
| Were you there? How do you know he's telling the truth?
Listen to the tape of his conversation with the police dispatcher where he says:
"I'm going after them buddy.
You hear the shotgun clicking I'm going".
then you may be ready to start a reasoned debate on the cold blooded slaughter of these unarmed burglars
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Originally Posted by garysher Were you there? How do you know he's telling the truth?
Listen to the tape of his conversation with the police dispatcher where he says:
"I'm going after them buddy.
You hear the shotgun clicking I'm going".
then you may be ready to start a reasoned debate on the cold blooded slaughter of these unarmed burglars
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Without all the facts, there doesn't seem much to debate.
You don't know Horn was lying. I don't know he was telling the truth.
Unlike some people, my favorite exercise is not leaping to conclusions.
BTW:
I would consider a man coming at me with a crowbar to be armed.
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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos
Without all the facts, there doesn't seem much to debate.
You don't know Horn was lying. I don't know he was telling the truth.
Unlike some people, my favorite exercise is not leaping to conclusions.
BTW:
I would consider a man coming at me with a crowbar to be armed.
| Nobody was "coming at him".
The police dispatcher pleaded with him not to leave his home and not to shoot these guys.
The police arrived just seconds after he had slaughtered them in cold blood.
We know from previous experience about your callous, uncaring attitude toward the wanton murder of defenceless victims, including the husband of that crazy woman who shot him in the back while he slept in his own bed (also in Texas - where else).
But if you bothered listening to the tape at least you wouldn't appear so appallingly misinformed.
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Originally Posted by garysher Nobody was "coming at him".
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"Get the law over here quick. I've now, get, one of them's in the front yard over there, he's down, he almost run down the street. I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice! ... Get somebody over here quick, man."
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Horn: "No, I am inside the house, I went back in the house. Man, they come right in my yard, I didn't know what the --- they was gonna do, I shot 'em, OK?"
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Lambright (Horn’s attorney) says Horn acted in complete and total self defense and has nothing to hide.
| Man Kills Suspects While On Phone With 911, Two Men Shot In Texas By Joe Horn Who Saw Suspects Leaving Neighbor's House - CBS News
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Originally Posted by garysher We know from previous experience about your callous, uncaring attitude toward the wanton murder of defenceless victims, including the husband of that crazy woman who shot him in the back while he slept in his own bed (also in Texas - where else).
| The incident to which you refer happened in Tennessee.
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Level up: 53%, 72 Points needed | | The reports here are kind of misleading. In the video of the original post Quanell X says the men were shot in the back. One was shot once, the other twice. However, written reports say the men were shot once each. One in the chest and the other in the side.
Also it would seem that the individuals had already committed the burglary as the police found a bag with cash in it. This site has all the up to date stories on it.
It would seem that a grand jury is going to decide whether or not this man should be charged. Until they do, I think that it is best to hold judgement. But I can agree with many of Mr Horn's neighbors, I would not mind having him live next door to my house.
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