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Old 02-24-2006, 10:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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It is impossible to engage in intellectual discourse with Republican Party, for if there were such an entity, one would have to try by means of analysis and discussion either to prove its validity or to combat it. In actuality, however, we face a totally different situation. At it's very inception this movement depended on the deception and betrayal of one's fellow man; even at that time it was inwardly corrupt and could support itself only by constant lies."It is unbelievable, to what extent one must betray a people in order to rule it." If at the start this cancerous growth in the nation was not particularly noticeable, it was only because there were still enough forces at work that operated for the good, so that it was kept under control. As it grew larger, however, and finally in an ultimate spurt of growth attained ruling power, the tumor broke open, as it were, and infected the whole body. The greater part of its former opponents went into hiding. The American intellectuals fled to their cellars, there, like plants struggling in the dark, away from light and sun, gradually to choke to death. Now the end is at hand. Now it is our task to find one another again, to spread information from person to person, to keep a steady purpose, and to allow ourselves no rest until the last man is persuaded of the urgent need of his struggle against this system. When thus a wave of unrest goes through the land, when "it is in the air," when many join the cause, then in a great final effort this system can be shaken off. After all, an end in terror is preferable to terror without end.

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Old 02-24-2006, 12:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It is impossible to engage in intellectual discourse with Republican Party, for if there were such an entity, one would have to try by means of analysis and discussion either to prove its validity or to combat it. In actuality, however, we face a totally different situation. At it's very inception this movement depended on the deception and betrayal of one's fellow man; even at that time it was inwardly corrupt and could support itself only by constant lies."It is unbelievable, to what extent one must betray a people in order to rule it." If at the start this cancerous growth in the nation was not particularly noticeable, it was only because there were still enough forces at work that operated for the good, so that it was kept under control. As it grew larger, however, and finally in an ultimate spurt of growth attained ruling power, the tumor broke open, as it were, and infected the whole body. The greater part of its former opponents went into hiding. The American intellectuals fled to their cellars, there, like plants struggling in the dark, away from light and sun, gradually to choke to death. Now the end is at hand. Now it is our task to find one another again, to spread information from person to person, to keep a steady purpose, and to allow ourselves no rest until the last man is persuaded of the urgent need of his struggle against this system. When thus a wave of unrest goes through the land, when "it is in the air," when many join the cause, then in a great final effort this system can be shaken off. After all, an end in terror is preferable to terror without end.

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“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy” ---James Madison 4th U.S. president (1809 -1817), and one of the founding fathers of this country. (1751- 1836)

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Old 02-24-2006, 09:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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No, it is impossible to engage in intellectual discourse with today's perverted version of liberalism, for they have no rationality and rely only upon emotion and hatred to argue. Today's liberalism was born of lies and deceit preyed upon by FDR when trying to hide the fact that the programs of his New Deal will socialist, instead coining them liberal. Talk about a party being born on the premise of a lie. And what deception and betrayal did the Republican Party play upon the public, our Party was founded in 1854 on the platform of ending slavery. So considering this it would you support the belief of the southern democrats that african-americans should still be slaves. Who exhibits the deceit and betrayal now???

Our intellectuals have not fled to any cellar, they run rampant on the campus of every university and college throughout this country, yet again another deception and lie on your part. I am sort of getting the feeling that the pot is trying to call the kettle black here.

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Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles
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Old 02-25-2006, 12:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No, it is impossible to engage in intellectual discourse with today's perverted version of liberalism, for they have no rationality and rely only upon emotion and hatred to argue. Today's liberalism was born of lies and deceit preyed upon by FDR when trying to hide the fact that the programs of his New Deal will socialist, instead coining them liberal. Talk about a party being born on the premise of a lie. And what deception and betrayal did the Republican Party play upon the public, our Party was founded in 1854 on the platform of ending slavery. So considering this it would you support the belief of the southern democrats that african-americans should still be slaves. Who exhibits the deceit and betrayal now???

Our intellectuals have not fled to any cellar, they run rampant on the campus of every university and college throughout this country, yet again another deception and lie on your part. I am sort of getting the feeling that the pot is trying to call the kettle black here.

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Republicans talk about stopping abortion so they can have fodder to send to war.
Stopping any social aid so they can watch the poor suffer.
They propose no tree left behind and the dirty skies initiative.
They ignore Global Warming
They support Toxics Reporting Cutbacks
They support the Unclean Water Act
They support Reduced Environmental Enforcement
They support Cut backs on protections for endangered species
They support Allowing America's dirtiest power plants to keep polluting
Damn sure isn’t what compassionate means!

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Old 02-25-2006, 12:36 AM   #5 (permalink)
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No, it is impossible to engage in intellectual discourse with today's perverted version of liberalism, for they have no rationality and rely only upon emotion and hatred to argue. Today's liberalism was born of lies and deceit preyed upon by FDR when trying to hide the fact that the programs of his New Deal will socialist, instead coining them liberal. Talk about a party being born on the premise of a lie. And what deception and betrayal did the Republican Party play upon the public, our Party was founded in 1854 on the platform of ending slavery. So considering this it would you support the belief of the southern democrats that african-americans should still be slaves. Who exhibits the deceit and betrayal now???

Our intellectuals have not fled to any cellar, they run rampant on the campus of every university and college throughout this country, yet again another deception and lie on your part. I am sort of getting the feeling that the pot is trying to call the kettle black here.

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Your comment about Southern Democrats believing that African Americans should still be slaves--what do you mean by that? Are you refering to the Solid South?
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No, it is impossible to engage in intellectual discourse with today's perverted version of liberalism, for they have no rationality and rely only upon emotion and hatred to argue. Today's liberalism was born of lies and deceit preyed upon by FDR when trying to hide the fact that the programs of his New Deal will socialist, instead coining them liberal. Talk about a party being born on the premise of a lie. And what deception and betrayal did the Republican Party play upon the public, our Party was founded in 1854 on the platform of ending slavery. So considering this it would you support the belief of the southern democrats that african-americans should still be slaves. Who exhibits the deceit and betrayal now???

Our intellectuals have not fled to any cellar, they run rampant on the campus of every university and college throughout this country, yet again another deception and lie on your part. I am sort of getting the feeling that the pot is trying to call the kettle black here.

dmk

Liberals tend to be independant these days, not democratic. The democrats and republicans have more in common than they are different. You can't really call yourself liberal anymore if you are a democrat.

And if conservatives want to teach they certainly don't have to speak of their political beliefs. Teachers are liberals because knowledge is power.
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There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence.
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No, it is impossible to engage in intellectual discourse with today's perverted version of liberalism, for they have no rationality and rely only upon emotion and hatred to argue. Today's liberalism was born of lies and deceit preyed upon by FDR when trying to hide the fact that the programs of his New Deal will socialist, instead coining them liberal. Talk about a party being born on the premise of a lie. And what deception and betrayal did the Republican Party play upon the public, our Party was founded in 1854 on the platform of ending slavery. So considering this it would you support the belief of the southern democrats that african-americans should still be slaves. Who exhibits the deceit and betrayal now???

Our intellectuals have not fled to any cellar, they run rampant on the campus of every university and college throughout this country, yet again another deception and lie on your part. I am sort of getting the feeling that the pot is trying to call the kettle black here.

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Liberals tend to be independant these days, not democratic. The democrats and republicans have more in common than they are different. You can't really call yourself liberal anymore if you are a democrat.

And if conservatives want to teach they certainly don't have to speak of their political beliefs. Teachers are liberals because knowledge is power.
Very Well Said!

This year our top goal is breaking the right-wing Republican stranglehold on Congress. That is our main focus every day.

It is also part of our work together to hold Democrats to their Party's highest values on issues like foreign policy, economic prosperity and good government.

That sometimes means grappling with specific right-wing Democrats who consistently side with big corporations and right-wing Republicans.

One approach is to support progressive primary challengers to right-wing Democrats. We think this makes sense but it's a big decision so we wanted to check with you and other MoveOn members. What do you think? Click below to let us know.

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The story about "the Democrat who sold out" has become too familiar. Too often progressives tip toe around these betrayals. But there needs to be real consequences for these Democrats.


Replacing a right-wing Democrat with a more progressive Democrat will help voters more clearly understand what Democrats stand for—and that will help Democrats win.

Many of these conservative Democrats we would challenge represent states or districts that are heavily Democratic—so we're not imperiling a Democratic majority by doing this.

Why is this a big decision? At some level it isn't—we've consistently held Democrats feet to the fire on a long list of issues. But challenging right-wing Democrats in an electoral setting would be new for MoveOn.org Political Action. That is why we're asking for your feedback. Click below to let us know what you think.

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Who are the Democrats we would challenge? One example is Congressman Henry Cuellar in Texas. Cuellar is a right-wing Democrat infamous for supporting the Bush agenda and Republican legislation.

He is wrong on many core Democratic issues like the war and Medicare, he often undermines key Democratic initiatives and too often pokes progressives in the eye with his votes and statements. (More on Cuellar tomorrow.)

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And do what: let Democrats have a "stranglehold on Congress"? The Demolicans all look alike to me.
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With the dems we didn't have this!
WMD lies, yellow cake lies, 500 tons of biological weapons lies

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This year our top goal is breaking the right-wing Republican stranglehold on Congress.
And do what: let Democrats have a "stranglehold on Congress"? The Demolicans all look alike to me.
Demolicans and Republicans all look a alike to me as well. It is time to change the way officials are elected to promote third parties and end the strangle hold.

Instant Runoff Voting could end the strangle hold:
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There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence.
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