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| Drugs and Alcohol Debate and defend your political beliefs of whether or not some drugs should be illegal or legalized. |
| View Poll Results: What should we do | |||
| Legalize | | 26 | 76.47% |
| Only Medical Use | | 3 | 8.82% |
| Keep it Illegal | | 5 | 14.71% |
| Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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| Community Leader ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cavalier Nation Gender: ![]() Posts: 529 Country: ![]()
| To legalize or not to legalize Can anyone give a reasonable argument as to why marijuana should be illegal? It seems the government needs to manufacture studies and use scare tacticts about how legalizing marijuana would be a disastrous social experiment. Then lie about the health benifits in an attempt to keep marijuana out of the hands of glaucoma patients. (A cruelty that should not be tolerated) I was just wondering if their is a valid reason for all the chaos. Dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before Music is essentially useless, as is life: but both have an ideal extension which lends utility to its conditions -George Santayana If we don't believe in free expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all -Noam Chomsky The only real radicalism in our time will come as it always has, from people who insist on thinking for themselves and who reject party-mindedness -Christopher Hitchens From Rosemont, Illinois The Cavaliers | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Senator ![]() Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Gender: ![]() Posts: 3,758 Country: ![]()
| Makes less sense than prohibition. "If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche Economic Left/Right: -9.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alabama Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,671
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Right now America spends $700 billion every year on foreign oil. That's our money going overseas when it could be staying here. We have to stop this. That's why I support the Pickens Plan. Check out the website at www.pickensplan.com. If you like what you see, please join me as a Pickens Plan supporter. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The Man You Love to Hate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ketchikan, AK Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,943 Country: ![]()
| Let's look at this issue a bit more methodically. Now we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer, there is no doubt in anybody's mind regarding the harmful effects of smoking. Smoking is so bad that the effects actually cause illness in others through second hand smoke. In fact many cities have prohibited smoking in public places including the outdoors and in individual's own private owned vehicles. Now smoked marijuana contains the same chemicals that cigarettes have and has been shown to have four times the carcinogens as a cigarette. Now I know that most cigarette smokers smoke from a pack (20 cigarettes) a day or more, which equates to 5 joints or more a day. Nonetheless the dangers are the same. If we want marijuana for its medical effects we are looking at the compounddelta-9-tetrahydracannabinol (THC). It is all about the THC. THC from smoking a joint reaches the blood stream in about 30 minutes and has a half-life or about 6 - 8 hours. This means the analagesic effects are fast acting and last for short periods of time requiring multiple doses within a day to provide relief. Herein lies a problem something known as a dose-effect. The more a person uses a drug for pain, the less its dose lasts within the body, meaning that where once 4 joints could provide relief for a patient in a day, soon the dose needs to be increased. Now, there is THC in a tablet form, this form has none of the respiratory effects of the smoked marijuana, so in that respect it is safer. In tablet form the THC reaches the blood stream in about 1 to 6 hours, which means that it is a little slower acting, however, it has a half-life in the blood steam of 20 - 36 hours. So whereas it may be slower acting it lasts longer requiring less doses per day. Even with dose-effect, the tablets per day required would never increase significantly as with the smoked marijuana. Now, the problem with THC is the side-effect that are known. THC use can lead to acute toxic psychosis, depersonalization, paranoa, depression and in rare case extreme agressiveness. This occurs with both smoked and tablet form. The APA (American Psychiatric Association) in its Diganostic and Statistical Manual of Disorders has a complete section on THC use, The mental disorders associated with its use include: Cannabis Intoxication Cannabis Intoxication Delirium Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder Cannabis Induced Anxiety Disorder So it is clear that THC use effects the CNS (central nervous system) causing slow motor reflexes, increased heart rate, decreased blood pressure, impairment of short-term memory, causes distortion in time perception, and interferes with a person's ability to interpret complex information. This is the main reason that there is a debate within the medical community regarding the use of medical marijuana. Each night I watch on TV as one commercial after another appears regarding this law firm or that law firm wanting to sue a drug manufacturer for the side effects of various drugs. This drug can cause this or that so why not sue??? Yet not a one about THC, and since some of its side-effects are more extreme than the drugs mentioned I wonder why???? Drugs are pulled because of their side effects every day, some less serious than THC. I am sorry, but if we want to use marijuana as a drug, fine, then lets hold it to the same standard as other drugs, if we are only going to weigh its use on it effectiveness then we should only weigh all drugs on their effectiveness. To do anything less would be unequal. dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| *Premium Member* Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Haven, CT Gender: ![]() Posts: 8,764 Country: ![]()
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really???? the APA has stated that use of THC will result in .... GETTING HIGH???????? worse yet: HAPPY HIGH????????? OMG WHO'D'VE THUNK IT??????????? marijuana being illegal is stupid *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The Man You Love to Hate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ketchikan, AK Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,943 Country: ![]()
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How simple, you focus on getting high, but ignore the other listed side effects. If it is all about what the drug does, then why is there not a demand for the tablet. See that is just it, for the so-called user it is all about the high, and its effect. You see how simple that is, if it were about the result, then the tablet would not be a problem and this debate could be closed, but for those want to use it, they are trying to have an illegal drug made legal because of its medical effects. dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Senator ![]() Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Gender: ![]() Posts: 3,758 Country: ![]()
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"If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche Economic Left/Right: -9.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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I'm sure that every marijuana user is going to think twice about using marijuana when they find out that it's been PROVEN that marijuana not only causes one to get high - but to get "happy" high! I don't smoke - haven't smoked pot since college a bazillion and ten years ago. But I don't think it should be illegal. I also don't smoke cigarettes - I don't believe they should be banned either. :shrug I'm not into fascism *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The Man You Love to Hate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ketchikan, AK Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,943 Country: ![]()
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dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The Man You Love to Hate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ketchikan, AK Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,943 Country: ![]()
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dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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