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Old 02-13-2008, 02:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Scalia Says He Sees a Role for Physical Interrogations
According to Justice Scalia it's ok to slap a terrorist in the face:


Scalia Says He Sees a Role for Physical Interrogations

By REUTERS Published: February 13, 2008

WASHINGTON (Reuters) — Justice Antonin Scalia said Tuesday that some physical interrogation techniques could be used on a suspect in the event of an imminent threat, like a hidden bomb about to blow up.

In such cases, “smacking someone in the face” could be justified, Justice Scalia told the British Broadcasting Corporation. He added, “You can’t come in smugly and with great self-satisfaction and say, ‘Oh, it’s torture, and therefore it’s no good.’ ”

His comments come amid a growing debate about the Bush administration’s use of aggressive interrogation methods on terrorism suspects, including the widely condemned waterboarding, soon after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Justice Scalia, speaking in an interview with “Law in Action,” a program on BBC Radio 4, said it would be “extraordinary” to assume that the Constitution’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment applied to “so-called” torture in the face of imminent threat. He said that the Constitution “is referring to punishment for crime.”

“And, for example, incarcerating someone indefinitely would certainly be cruel and unusual punishment for a crime,” he said.

But “is it really so easy,” he said, “to determine that smacking someone in the face to determine where he has hidden the bomb that is about to blow up Los Angeles is prohibited in the Constitution?”

“It would be absurd to say you couldn’t do that,” the justice said. “And once you acknowledge that, we’re into a different game. How close does the threat have to be? And how severe can the infliction of pain be?”

Justice Scalia also ridiculed European criticism of the death penalty in the United States.

“If you took a public opinion poll, if all of Europe had representative democracies that really worked, most of Europe would probably have the death penalty today,” he said.

“There are arguments for it and against it,” he said. “But to get self-righteous about the thing as Europeans tend to do about the American death penalty is really quite ridiculous.”

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Old 02-13-2008, 04:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Scalia also thinks that the Holocaust happened because Germany had a separation of Church and state, among some other kooky stuff.
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in the face of a imminent threat, I agree with him.
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Grace: Arguments that we should reduce our civil liberties because if we don't the terrorists are going to kill us have resulted in the PATRIOT Act, the abandonment of the Geneva Convention, domestic wiretapping and the loss of any redeeming qualities in the eyes of the international community.

There is always an imminent threat. If I drive down the street in my car, it's quite possible that the guy in the other lane is psychotic and about to ram his car into mine. Does that mean I should kill him first? Wait, before you answer, he a darkie and may even be Muslim!
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Grace: Arguments that we should reduce our civil liberties because if we don't the terrorists are going to kill us have resulted in the PATRIOT Act,
None of your civil liberties have been reduced.
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the abandonment of the Geneva Convention,
The GC only aplies to solders in uniform, not terrorist thugs who target innocent civilians.
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domestic wiretapping and the loss of any redeeming qualities in the eyes of the international community.
The only people who should be worried about wire tapping, is folks with something to hide. And btw F the international community. When you are top Dog, there will always be haters. Food for oil.

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There is always an imminent threat. If I drive down the street in my car, it's quite possible that the guy in the other lane is psychotic and about to ram his car into mine. Does that mean I should kill him first? Wait, before you answer, he a darkie and may even be Muslim!
Yea, cause thats the same thing as terrorists coming over our boarder (which they do everyday) and attacking us with God knows what kind of weapons. 9/11 only happened 7 years ago, and many attacks have been thwarted since. You act like its never happened before, and even worse act like they dont want to do WAY worse. Laying down to this enemy is only going to bring our destruction.

Its claimed by the Dems that this war on terror shouldnt be confronted with military, but with spy's and intelligence. How is that going to work if you wont even allow them to gather information??
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Is he gay too?
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The only people who should be worried about wire tapping, is folks with something to hide. And btw F the international community. When you are top Dog, there will always be haters. Food for oil.
On days when I wonder why the world has come to hate us, I will look at this quote and remember.

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The only people who should be worried about wire tapping, is folks with something to hide.
The same could be said about strip searches at airports, warrantless sneak and peek searches of your home or office, and indefinite detention without being charged with a crime or having access to counsel.

I have nothing to hide, but I would prefer not to have any of these things happen to me. And, call me crazy, but I'd like my private phone conversations to be private.

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When you are top Dog, there will always be haters.
Especially when that top dog bullies attacks smaller dogs, just because it can.
Or do you still believe "they hate us for our freedom"?

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They answered, "We have only five loaves of bread and two fish—unless we go and buy food for all this crowd." 14(About five thousand men were there.) But he said to his disciples, "Have them sit down in groups of about fifty each." 15The disciples did so, and everybody sat down. 16Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke them. Then he gave them to the disciples to set before the people. 17They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over.

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And the people reached for the food hungrily, but Jesus held up his hand to stop them, and He said, "Hang on a second there, folks. I know you are hungry, and I have plenty of food. But this isn't a handout. Give me what I want first, or I will let you starve."
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QUOTE=forester814;163356]On days when I wonder why the world has come to hate us, I will look at this quote and remember.
The question though is not so much "F" world opinion, but that foreign opinion cannot be the final arbiter.


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The same could be said about strip searches at airports, warrantless sneak and peek searches of your home or office, and indefinite detention without being charged with a crime or having access to counsel.

I have nothing to hide, but I would prefer not to have any of these things happen to me. And, call me crazy, but I'd like my private phone conversations to be private.
Your phone calls are private- and remain so. The issue is whether foreigners outside USA juristiction who ought not have a claim to protection from USA law can HAVE a claim to protection from USA law.
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