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Old 03-16-2006, 06:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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It's all about the "O" word!
I think it's about the "o" word!

WALL STREET JOURNAL: Bush Sr. in business with bin Laden family conglemerate through Carlyle Group

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, reacted with disbelief to The Wall Street Journal report of yesterday that George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm. The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice. (Other top Republicans are also associated with the Carlyle group, such as former Secretary of State James A. Baker.) The terrorist leader Osama bin Laden had supposedly been “disowned” by his family, which runs a multi-billion dollar business in Saudi Arabia and is a major investor in the senior Bush’s firm. Other reports have questioned, though, whether members of his Saudi family have truly cut off Osama bin Laden. Indeed, the Journal also reported yesterday that the FBI has subpoenaed the bin Laden family business’s bank records.

Judicial Watch earlier this year had strongly criticized President Bush’s father’s association with the Carlyle Group, pointing out in a March 5 statement that it was a “conflict of interest (which) could cause problems for America’s foreign policy in Middle East and Asia.” Judicial Watch called for the senior Bush to resign from the firm then.

“This conflict of interest has now turned into a scandal. The idea of the President’s father, an ex-president himself, doing business with a company under investigation by the FBI in the terror attacks of September 11 is horrible. President Bush should not ask, but demand, that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group,” stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

“This has the potential of making ‘Billygate’ (Jimmy Carter’s brother’s dealings with Libya) look like small potatoes,” added Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.
http://www.aztlan.net/judwatch.htm

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Where's bin Laden........
For your future reference, here's what Bush has said about bin Laden at various points in time, depending on how he was trying to spin things:
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availability with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
—"Because he's hiding…" Bush, explaining why Osama bin Laden has yet to be captured. (Washington Post interview, Jan. 16, 2005)

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Old 03-17-2006, 01:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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There are several people involved with the Carlyle Group, including George Soros, David Rubenstien (a former Carter Aide), John Major(former British Prime Minister), and Alice Albright (daughter of Madeleine Albright). Because a company exists and is tied to making profits during the war on Terror, there must therefore exist some grand conspiracy theory. Considering that Rubenstein was one of the original members of the Group, one can argue that the true conspiracy is that the Democrats set up the group to make money off of Republican policies. What better way to eventually take over as the premier political party?

Speculation and assumption lead to nothing but the good old Chicken Little Syndrome -the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!

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Our president, his family and cronies are getting rich off of the war they started. That shouldn’t be legal or even possible.
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How is the President getting rich. His stocks are in a receivership and he has no control over them. The former President Bush has been a member of the Carlyle group since he was voted out of office. Considering that this occured over twelve years ago your point is mute.

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Why does everyone disallow the fact that our system includes the workings of something called conflict of interest. Lets hear the twisted reasoning as to why this is ok.
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How is the President getting rich. His stocks are in a receivership and he has no control over them. The former President Bush has been a member of the Carlyle group since he was voted out of office. Considering that this occured over twelve years ago your point is mute.

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I find it interesting that you defend every aspect of our government that I find despicable.

As Tyreay simply put, it is a conflict of interest. There is a direct connection to the business ties of the Bush family and the current war. That should not even be possible or legal and the American public shouldn't stand for having to eat such shit.
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Our president, his family and cronies are getting rich off of the war they started. That shouldn’t be legal or even possible.
I honestly don't think this war had anything to do with money..Jay Severin said on talk radio the other day that Bush was not willing to accept the fact that he was wrong when they didn't find any WMD's, which is why we are still over there giving the Iraqi people a democracy (which wasn't the original plan)
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I honestly don't think this war had anything to do with money..Jay Severin said on talk radio the other day that Bush was not willing to accept the fact that he was wrong when they didn't find any WMD's, which is why we are still over there giving the Iraqi people a democracy (which wasn't the original plan)

I don't buy that fact that it was just a "mistake" and a coincidence.
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There are several people involved with the Carlyle Group, including George Soros, David Rubenstien (a former Carter Aide), John Major(former British Prime Minister), and Alice Albright (daughter of Madeleine Albright). Because a company exists and is tied to making profits during the war on Terror, there must therefore exist some grand conspiracy theory. Considering that Rubenstein was one of the original members of the Group, one can argue that the true conspiracy is that the Democrats set up the group to make money off of Republican policies. What better way to eventually take over as the premier political party?

Speculation and assumption lead to nothing but the good old Chicken Little Syndrome -the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!

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George Soros, David Rubenstien (a former Carter Aide), John Major(former British Prime Minister), and Alice Albright (daughter of Madeleine Albright) are not in the presidential position.

It's not the Chicken Little Syndrome -the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!
It's the......Chicken Georgie Syndrome-the WMDs is falling!!!!!!!!

WMds are falling!

Narrator: Chicken Georgie was in the woods one day when a WMD fell on his head. It scared him so much he trembled all over. He shook so hard, half his feathers fell out.

Chicken Georgie: "Help! Help! The WMDs is falling! I have to go tell the Congress!"

Narrator: So he ran in great fright to tell the Congress. Along the way he met Henny Chenny.

Henny Chenny: "Where are you going, Chicken Georgie?"

Chicken Georgie: "Oh, help! The WMDs is falling!"

Henny Chenny: "How do you know?"

Chicken Georgie: "I saw it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears, and part of it fell on my head!"

Henny Chenny: "This is terrible, just terrible! We'd better hurry up."

Narrator: So they both ran away as fast as they could. Soon they met Ducky Rumsfeld.

Ducky Rumsfeld: "Where are you going, Chicken Georgie and Henny Chenny?"

Chicken Georgie & Henny Chenny: "The WMDs is falling! The WMDs is falling! We're going to tell the Congress!"

Ducky Rumsfeld: "How do you know?"

Chicken Georgie: "I saw it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears, and part of it fell on my head."

Ducky Rumsfeld: "Oh dear, oh dear! We'd better run!"

Narrator: So they all ran down the road as fast as they could. Soon they met Goosey Powell walking down the roadside.

Goosey Powell "Hello there. Where are you all going in such a hurry?"

Chicken Georgie: "We're running for our lives!"
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They may not be in a presidential position, but the post was made that it was the President and his cronies. Well, according to my reply we can see that that statement was what - a mistake? or an opinion posted by somebody who didn't know the facts? or an outright lie?

The intelligence on WMDs were wrong, we know that now. However, that does not dismiss the fact that (1) the administration believed that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, (2) the prior administration believed that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, (3) members of Congress from both parties believed Saddam Hussein had WMDs, (4) Britian, France, Germany and other members of the UN beleived that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, and (5) thanks to the trial of Saddam Hussein we know that his military commanders beleived that there were WMDs. So if you want to say that President Bush lied about WMDs that is fine, I will say that too, right after you admit and then list all the others who made the same statements. Please don't forget to include both Clintons, Gore, Kennedy, Kerry and Byrd.

The original post still remains a highly speculative assumption, chicken little still applies despite your cute little story.

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