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03-19-2006, 09:24 AM
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 |  Six years Later: The lunatic fringe are still crying about "Clinton's BJ” It’s ridiculous that they can't face reality! Senate OKs $9 Trillion Debt Limit THATS.......... The Senate voted Thursday to allow the national debt to swell to nearly $9 trillion, preventing a first-ever default on U.S. Treasury notes. The bill passed by a 52-48 vote. The increase to $9 trillion represents about $30,000 for every man, woman and child in the United States. The bill now goes to President Bush for his signature. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1411739.shtml Spend taxes on Iraq? Investment provides dividends (highways, infrastructure, the internet, medical breakthroughs, parks, public schools and colleges, consumer/worker protection (wise use of $) Republican policies have made us WEAK militarily, diplomatically, economically, environmentally, and in homeland security. Then they’ve given U.S. the ‘Dirty Skies Initiative’ and ‘Leave No Tree Standing Act’ The Birth Tax: each child enters the world under the weight of Republican debt burden --------------------------------------- “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy“---James Madison 4th U.S. president (1809 -1817), and one of the founding fathers of this country. (1751- 1836) | |||||||||||||||||||||
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03-19-2006, 01:03 PM
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03-19-2006, 01:17 PM
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That's why it's nice to spread the cost onto people who don't support it. That's why it's nice to defer the cost onto future generations... How about we try something new. Make ONLY those people who support the war pay for it, and THEY have to pay for it instead of deferring the cost for later... Part of the reason this "war" is so successful, from a point of continuing it (not winning it) is that people are able to make the cost of it so abstract and unreal. High cost, yet the tax cuts for the rich continue... That, and America seems to have become incredibly apathetic about... well... everything... "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher  | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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03-19-2006, 01:29 PM
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| I am all for tax cuts for lower-income/middle-class earners and small business owners. Their is another thread on this forum as to why I support this and how lower-income/middle-class earners actually do benefit from Bush's tax cuts. I believe sgtdmski also posted a pretty good argument as to how the government gets more back from tax cuts (increased consumer spending) than tax increases. But not to go off-topic, I do believe this war is too far ahead of the original plan, which has been changed to building a democracy for the people of Iraq. This is just costing too much money. Sometimes war is very necessary and even if I am against it, my taxes should be used to fund it. Why should I fund social security for everyone today if I am not going to see a penny when I retire? Why should I fund all these social programs if I have no interest in it!?! Same shit..different toilet. When I think about it, it is necessary for my taxes to be used towards the military and social programs, because in return it could secure my life. | |
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03-19-2006, 02:36 PM
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Our military gets a HUGE portion of our taxes. --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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03-19-2006, 03:03 PM
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Or maybe it should be "enough is too much"... Regardless, their unwillingness to explain any type of scenario which would result in our withdrawal is rather poignant, IMO. Quote:
2) I can understand how my suggestion (not funding a war I don't support) was unrealistic. It was more part of a rant that got satirical at that stage. I see the lack of a realism of the ACTUAL expense of the war to be part of the reason why people are apathetic about it. If we were actually being significantly impacted in our lives, like with previous world wars, maybe it wouldn't be such an abstract issue. On second thought, maybe my idea was crappy on another level as well. Maybe if we made EVERYBODY ACTUALLY PAY for the war, maybe the apathetic people would actually give a damn. With it being somebody else in Iraq, with future generations paying for it, it's easy to be apathetic for a situation which doesn't "affect" a person... 3) Social Security needs a SERIOUS over-haul. It really PISSED me off that democrats fought Bush's efforts to change Social Security along what I see as purely partisan reasons. It needs an over-haul. I have seen no real refute of this... And putting in YOUR money for YOUR OWN retirement makes more sense. I saw the democrats stand up and applaud the "social security" mention during Bush's state of the union. Clapping happily thinking they had accomplished something... Yeah. I've got a few expletives for that situation... "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher Last edited by foundit66; 03-19-2006 at 03:06 PM. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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03-19-2006, 06:19 PM
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03-19-2006, 10:26 PM
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Ronald Reagan GODSPEED TADPOLE! ============================= Corporations are deserting America; not paying fair share of taxes yet reaping benefits. Something has to be done about it!  -------------------------------- I call upon the scientific community in our country, those who gave us nuclear weapons, to turn their great talents now to the cause of mankind and world peace: to give us the means of rendering these nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete.---Ronald Reagan Last edited by RidinHighSpeeds; 03-19-2006 at 10:43 PM. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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03-20-2006, 08:12 AM
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Exclusive: Bush Wanted To Invade Iraq If Elected in 2000 Two years before 9/11, candidate Bush was already talking privately about attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer Houston: Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography. “He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999,” said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. “It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ And he said, ‘My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.’ He said, ‘If I have a chance to invade….if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.” http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761 Agreed war is not free and we must as good American peasants do our part to help it along! Exxon Sees Record Profits for Any U.S. Co. Exxon Mobil Corp. posted record profits for any U.S. company on Monday _ $10.71 billion for the fourth quarter and $36.13 billion for the year _ as the world's biggest publicly traded oil company benefited from high oil and natural-gas prices and solid demand for refined products. The results exceeded Wall Street expectations and Exxon shares rose, but some lawmakers expressed outrage at the industry's latest profit surge, renewing calls for a windfall profits tax and increased investment in alternative fuels. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...8FF6FCG0.shtml http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=176 Attorney General John Aschcroft: "Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to die for you." Rev. Franklin Graham, delivered Bush’s inaugural invocation and his personal minister: Islam is "a very evil and wicked religion." Rev. Pat Robertson, friend of Pres. Bush: Prophet Muhammed "was an absolute wild-eyed fanatic." Rev. Jerry Falwell, friend of Pres. Bush: "I think Muhammad was a terrorist." Television evangelist and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson's suggestion that a nuclear device should be used to wipe out the State Department was "despicable," department spokesman Richard Boucher said Thursday. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/09/robertson.state/ “Lunatic Fringe Republicans” n. The fanatical, extremist, or irrational members of a society or group. ------------------------------------ The ancient Greeks used to say, "You shall know a man by the friends that he keeps." Given the nature of his friends and advisors, what are we to conclude about George W. Bush http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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03-20-2006, 09:51 AM
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| Most politicians were talking about how bad Iraq was and how we should do something about it in the 90's!!! Why do you think he got so much support in the beginning??? Lots of liberal Democrats also believed the same thing Bush believed back in the 90's! But no...something like that will not be mentioned in an article titled, "Bush was already talking privately about attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer" | |
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