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03-17-2008, 12:58 PM
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Spitzer Resigns - It's Time to Impeach Bush
Today Gov. Eliot Spitzer apologized again to the people of New York for his personal failings and resigned, just 16 months after winning an historic landslide election with 70% of the vote.
But Spitzer's resignation was not entirely voluntary, because Republican leaders were busy drafting Articles of Impeachment.
What was Spitzer's impeachable offense? The "lowest" crime in the book.
As we know, the Founding Fathers wanted Impeachment to be used for "High Crimes" like treason, bribery, war crimes, and subverting the Constitution itself.
Eliot Spitzer committed no "High Crimes" - but George Bush and Dick Cheney most certainly have, and they continue to do so with absolute impunity.
It's time for Congress to impeach them for it. Ten Reasons to Impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney | Democrats.com
16 months ago, we posted a petition listing 10 High Crimes which justified their impeachment:
(1) Starting a "war of aggression" (2) torture (3) arbitrary detention (4) war crimes (5) warrantless wiretapping (6) signing statements (7) election fraud (  outing a covert CIA operative (9) the "unitary executive" (10) gross negligence for Katrina and global warming.
Each one of these crimes is as unacceptable today as it was then. After 5 years in Iraq (see below), Bush has killed nearly 4,000 Americans and over 1 million Iraqis and incurred $3 trillion in costs. And there are many more crimes we could add, including Bush's commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence to stop him from testifying about the crimes of Bush and Cheney themselves, and Bush's ongoing threats to bomb Iran. And each one makes Spitzer's "crime" utterly insignificant by comparison.
Over 137,000 of you have signed this petition, and we thank you. (If you've forgotten, our form won't let you sign twice.)
But many of you have not. And in the wake of the Republican effort to impeach Eliot Spitzer for his "low" crime, every American who is outraged by Bush's "High Crimes" should sign it.
Please tell your Senators and Representative to Impeach Bush and Cheney Now: Ten Reasons to Impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney | Democrats.com
And thanks for all you do to make the world a better place.
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05-26-2008, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tyreay Ten Reasons to Impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney | Democrats.com
16 months ago, we posted a petition listing 10 High Crimes which justified their impeachment:
(1) Starting a "war of aggression" (2) torture (3) arbitrary detention (4) war crimes (5) warrantless wiretapping (6) signing statements (7) election fraud (  outing a covert CIA operative (9) the "unitary executive" (10) gross negligence for Katrina and global warming. | 1. No war of aggression occurred, the Iraq War started when Iraq invaded Kuwait and refused to depart without use of military force, then the US and allies used military force to remove Iraq from Kuwait. A mutual agreement between the US, UN and Iraq of a cease fire in the hostilities caused hostilities to suspend. The cease fire conditions were few and could have been accomplished within 180 days if all parties were willing, the US and UN were willing but Iraq was not. The war with Iraq was RESUMED, for cause when after more than a decade it was quite apparent that Iraq had no intention to ever live up to their ceasefire conditions.
2. The US does not torture.
3. In accordance with the Laws of War and the Geneva Convention combatants may be held by the warring parties until the conflict is over.
4. There have been no war crimes on behalf of the US government. Individuals have violated "rules" and the individuals have been prosecuted.
5. The US has always conducted warrantless wiretaps of foreign sources, the Democratic congress now desires the administration to acquire warrants where they were never required in the past.
6. Signing statements are not unconstitutional and there is a precedence for the president to use them (they have been used in the past).
7. Election fraud is a federal offense and any citizen can originate a case if evidence exists. Since no case has been opened I guess there is no election fraud, if you disagree then open a case and present it to a federal judge.
8. Her husband outed her along with a liberal member not associated with the administration at the time it occurred.
9. Unitary executive is similar to signing statements but is within the power of the constitutional position of the president in a war time roll as "commander in chief". During WWII all mail from Asia and Europe was opened, read by the government and censored if necessary.
10. The federal government was not welcomed into the state by the state government. The governor of LA must allow the federal government in. The governor, a Democrat was responsible for all delay of the response within the abilities of the federal government to respond.
In the case of New Orleans I would suggest that all persons in the care of the US government should be treated as prisoners in the future. For example, if you live in government housing, receive government food support and an emergency is forecasted for your area then you would be "demanded" to leave the area to a safe area in the manner the federal government so deemed necessary or forego the future federal government support. In CA if an earthquake was predicted or in WA state a volcano was predicted then the federal government should evacuate all of its wards. The same should apply to the states that have known wards in their support from jails, adoption centers, welfare recipients and so on... order your wards to safety at first federal knowledge of danger for the ward. |
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05-26-2008, 02:13 PM
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You make a lot of sense. I have newly rethought the whole Presidency of GW Bush. I am guessing that apart from Pres.Reagan, he may actually go down in history as one of the best presidents of the century!
That does in fact tell you what I think we are in for, if we don't have better options than what we currently have.
I really loved Mike Huckabee's integrity and wisdom. And he already has experience in an executive office.
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05-27-2008, 09:32 AM
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Level up: 24%, 67 Points needed | | It seems the mood of the nation is to want "stuff" from the government and not to have the government have less control over our lives.
I think much of the thinking patterns across America is dominated by television and other public media forums. We are being brainwashed by repeated statements of a point of view in subtle and non-subtle means. We are busy doing our thing of living and don't have time to search out the truth. The larger government gets the harder we work and the less time we have to reason since we are freed of the responsibility for those actions we delegated to the government.
Consider this, compassion is the basis of all law, the do unto others as you would have them do unto you thing. Where is compassion best, in the family, then the church and then the community. The distance away from the family the less the result in a positive way. If this were not true we would assign all responsibility for compassion to the United Nations and they would distribute compassion correctly across the globe. The reality is the larger the government the less it returns for the buck. You need to be able to reach out and touch someone living on your dime so the best government is that that is close to the family. Leave the federal government to maintain immigration and national defense and do everything else in the neighborhood where you can reach out and touch someone not doing a good job on your dime.
If you go to Washington DC and look at the Department of Education you will instantly realize the problem with education in America. If you walked into every office of the department and said hi to each employee making over fifty grand a year you would not meet all the employees in your lifetime. Take away all of those jobs, buildings and the costs associated with that office and send the money to the community where kids are being taught and we would not have an education problem.
Why do we need federal offices to do things that we can do in our communities? We can elect a single person in the Federal government to chair the Department of Education and then each community can send one representative to Washington on summer break to discuss how to better improve education and develop continuity. We don't need a federal office with miles of hallways filled with high paid government employees to do what they do which is fail to teach one child.
We need to learn to say NO more government outside of our reach. If you can't visit the thief within a half hours drive you don't need him or her. |
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05-27-2008, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by OhDear I really loved Mike Huckabee's integrity and wisdom. And he already has experience in an executive office. OD | Yeah, it's too bad he has such a stupid sounding name. |
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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman Yeah, it's too bad he has such a stupid sounding name. | Well, who would want to be his huckleberry? 
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Originally Posted by NoMoreDems-Reps | No it is a polite way of saying it is the general election season. The report is total BS, yesterday I heard the Senate Intel committee chairman read the findings on the Senate floor, Senator Rockefeller D, WV. Then a few minutes later the R counter member of the minority of the committee came out and read a speech from Rockefeller given the day of the vote for war that discredited all the report had said. |
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Originally Posted by Zack No it is a polite way of saying it is the general election season. The report is total BS, yesterday I heard the Senate Intel committee chairman read the findings on the Senate floor, Senator Rockefeller D, WV. Then a few minutes later the R counter member of the minority of the committee came out and read a speech from Rockefeller given the day of the vote for war that discredited all the report had said. | Wow, Do you believe yourself?
Ok lets think. No WMD, No Al Quiad links right (Hind sight).......
There was a lot more evidence and intel that said no WMD's or Al Quiada, and there was a
little intel that said other wise.
The report and other people said Bush lied so he sould go to war. We did go to war on
Bush's word...... Bush’s Lies About WMDs Bush Administration Lies
Either way Bush is a Deceitful liar or a incompetent moron! Either way he should have
NEVER been a President of the USA !!
But with the REP-DEM Monopoly America has been reduced to scrapping the bottom of
the barrel. |
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