Gay youth's murder sparks tolerance debate

OnTheLeft · 03-29-2008, 09:45 AM

How many more GLBT youth have to die before this country realizes the importance of education and tolerance?

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Larry King was a gay eighth-grader who used to come to school in makeup, high heels and earrings. And when the other boys made fun of him, he would boldly tease them right back by flirting with them. That may have been what got him killed.

On Feb. 12, another student, Brandon McInerney, 14, shot him twice in the head at the back of the computer lab at their junior high school, police say.

The slaying of the 15-year-old boy has alarmed gay rights activists and led to demands that middle schools do more to educate youngsters about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Gay youth's killing sparks tolerance debate - Education - MSNBC.com

When I was growing up and a boy showed interest in me, I would tell him I was flattered but not interested. I didn't drag him in back of the chemistry lab and put a bullet in his skull.

This same kind of hostility (including bullying, harrassment, and beatings) is prevalent in schools all over America. Yet people like garysher would prefer that homosexuality is never mentioned in schools so that this kind of hate and intolerance continues to breed.

I say the time has come when we should be required to teach and enforce tolerance in our schools. What do you all say? We're never going to prevent kids from being beaten up, harrassed, and even murdered by pretending they don't exist.

tristanrobin · 03-29-2008, 10:32 AM

oh, you can't teach such a terrible thing in schools

it's indoctrination into perversion

dead fags are so much more preferable

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fxashun · 03-29-2008, 01:09 PM

How do you teach people to get used to a boy wearing high heels and makeup. That's friggin freaky. No one should have killed the dude, but that is NOT the behaviour of a male of the human species and you are gonna have an uphill battle to make that not raise a few eyebrows.

Why didn't someone try to educate him not to come out in public looking like that. It's f'd up to "educate" everyone else to conform to the one-offs.

garysher · 03-29-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheLeft

How many more GLBT youth have to die before this country realizes the importance of education and tolerance?

Gay youth's killing sparks tolerance debate - Education - MSNBC.com

When I was growing up and a boy showed interest in me, I would tell him I was flattered but not interested. I didn't drag him in back of the chemistry lab and put a bullet in his skull.

This same kind of hostility (including bullying, harrassment, and beatings) is prevalent in schools all over America. Yet people like garysher would prefer that homosexuality is never mentioned in schools so that this kind of hate and intolerance continues to breed.

I say the time has come when we should be required to teach and enforce tolerance in our schools. What do you all say? We're never going to prevent kids from being beaten up, harrassed, and even murdered by pretending they don't exist.

Instead of wasting time trying to persuade everyone else to conform with your own bigoted views I think it makes far more sense to work toward dismantling America's lunatic, arcane gun culture.

You can't applaud Joe Horn one minute then condemn this kind of needless slaughter the next.

Unlike OnThe Left, I believe in doing everything possible to prevent hostility toward and the murder of anybody - not just homosexuals.

Instead of trying to persuade kids to accept boys dressed as girls, why not work toward teaching kids that guns are evil and unnecesssary.

Let's require that groups of vigilante gun-toting bigots - like New Haven's Pink Pistols - are banned.

tristanrobin · 03-29-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

but that is NOT the behaviour of a male of the human species

at least not in the early 21st century.

throughout history, it was quite common for men to wear make-up and "high heels"

it has nothing to do with gender - it has to do with styles in vogue

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Men's Dress.—The principal change in the costume of the men during the reign of Louis XV seems to have been in the length and fulness of the coats; as the size of the pannier increased, so in proportion did the fulness of the skirt of the coats of the men. They were held out with buckram, and also by laying the stiff brocade which was used in plaits on the hips. The vest was still long, and was buttoned with four buttons at the waistline, being left open at the neck to show the frilled shirt-front and cravat of exquisite lace. This was held in place by a black velvet bow, which was often a part of the ribbon used to tie the queue of the powdered wig. The coat and vest were elaborately embroidered and trimmed with gold lace or galloon, and often a fringe of gold finished the lower edge of the vest. Pockets with deep flaps and turn-back cuffs were buttoned onto the coat with from three to five jewelled buttons. Deep ruffles of lace finished the sleeve, drooping over the hand.
The breeches had lost most of their fulness and were fitted close at the knee, where they were closed with several buttons. Ribbon decorations were superseded by buttons in nearly every case. A sword was carried with this costume, being brought through the plaits at the side of the coat ; it helped to hold out the skirt. The long coats made any outer garments unnecessary except in very cold weather, when longer cloaks were worn.'
Head-gear.—The huge curled wigs of the former reign were gone, and in their place had come the powdered wig with the queue. This type of wig underwent many changes, but these were principally in the way in which the hair was arranged at the side of the face and the length of the queue;the latter was sometimes enclosed in a bag and sometimes tied at the back with a black bow. Hats were still three-cornered, the brims being narrower, and in most cases bound with gold galloon. They were trimmed with flat rosettes of ribbon, instead of plumes, and were generally carried in the hand, so as not to disarrange the wig.
Foot-gear and Accessories.—Very little change in foot-gear is noticed; the stockings were clocked and extended over the cuff of the breeches; the shoes were still low, but with heels much higher and painted red, and buckles were beginning to replace the bows and rosettes in front. The exquisites, or dandies, carried lace-trimmed handkerchiefs, muffs, and canes

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Who wore make-up?

Men and women of the court both wore make-up. This had happened in Elizabethan times too, but now make-up was used more often, and there was a wider choice of lotions, powders and ointments than ever before.

garysher · 03-30-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

at least not in the early 21st century.

throughout history, it was quite common for men to wear make-up and "high heels"

it has nothing to do with gender - it has to do with styles in vogue

Yeah right!

Good luck trying to persuade normal people that it's ok for men to dress up like girls.

chandon12 · 03-30-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Yeah right!

Good luck trying to persuade normal people that it's ok for men to dress up like girls.

Haha!

Gar, lest you forget those curly wigs the barristers wear in the UK....

fxashun · 03-31-2008, 06:31 AM

That's where some people just get ignorant..."wearing makeup" can apply to many situations. Just as "breast implants" range from corrective surgery to the cartoonish crfap that some women do to their bodies. In this case we specifically have a young man who..was a gay eighth-grader who used to come to school in makeup, high heels and earrings. Far beyond the "wear makeup" that you guys are trying to present. And from this characterization, that's not "gay" as I understand it, sounds more like transgendered to me. From what I gather, gay men are still men, they just like other men. Wearing high heels and makeup isn't part of the deal.

garysher · 03-31-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chandon12

Haha!

Gar, lest you forget those curly wigs the barristers wear in the UK....

Does anybody think they're pretending to look like women??

I think not.

If a boy goes to school dressed as a girl then don't be surprised if he gets taunted by the other kids.

If the kid was really concerned he would have dressed and behaved like a boy, instead of expecting the rest of the world to make a U-turn to accommodate his weirdness.

Of course he shouldn't have been murdered for his folly, but that's the way things are in gun-crazy America.

Just ask all the "vigilante justice" fans - the Joe Horn and Mary Winkler supporters on this forum and elsewhere.

fxashun · 03-31-2008, 03:28 PM

Joe Horn is my hero. I wish I had neighbors just like him.