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Old 04-24-2008, 08:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Red face Gay marriage ban efforts in CA about to fail
... and of course, HRC is there, leading the charge for equality. I am so proud to support this organization, and the fantastic work they do.

For the bigots to get their anti-gay amendment on the ballot in the fall, their website says they need over a million signatures.
VoteYesMarriage.com - VoteYesMarriage.com Petitions

The deadline for getting those signatures in is this coming Monday, April 28th. They appear to be far short of that figure.

And HRC activists are on the ground in California, actively fighting the efforts of the anti-gay bigots. So far, nearly 100,000 people have pledged to oppose the effort to Constitutionally ban gay marriage there.

I wanted to share this great story with you, from Orange County, about a brave young man willing to stand up to bigotry in his own family:

Equality for All Orange County field organizer Art Mungia:
I was having a good day working one of our prime Wal-mart locations in Huntington Beach. The weather was great as always and people were responding to our positive message about marriage equality. I was standing at the entrance and asking customers if they would help us in our efforts with marriage equality when a woman and her son approached me. The woman asked me if I was for or against same sex couples. When I responded to her that we are working to stop an anti-gay “marriage protection” petition, she responded with a disgusted look on her face and turned and walked away. Her son, with a melancholy look on his face, stood still and said, “I’ll sign it.” His mother then came running back and screamed in his face, “Don’t you sign that!” She slapped the clipboard and shoved it back at me then pulled the clipboard back and demanded to know if I made him sign it. He was not able to sign before his mother came. I was stunned and just wasn’t expecting a reaction from such as common encounter. They both walked into the store after the awkward public scene.

It was a defining moment for me in this campaign. I guess sometimes you can get stuck in the “big picture” mentality and forget that there are very painful bitter battles that continue in the home, homes that are supposed to be a person’s safe place. It took me a second to get back to my normal self but I pushed on and continued with our voter education efforts.

A few minutes later, the son came out of the store and very proudly said “I want to sign.” I was completely humbled by his personal bravery in such a hostile home environment. He signed our pledge sheet and I gave him several campaign stickers. He hung around and we talked a bit and he said he wanted to volunteer but his mother took away his car because she couldn’t handle him coming out. They left shortly after that and we tried calling him a few days later but could not get past his mother on the phone. I will always remember meeting this young man when I will reflect on this campaign in the future. It will remind me that behind all the work and “big picture” logistics that makes a campaign function are the people that we fight for. And that includes people like this young man who do not quite have their voice yet.
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... and of course, HRC is there, leading the charge for equality. I am so proud to support this organization, and the fantastic work they do.

For the bigots to get their anti-gay amendment on the ballot in the fall, their website says they need over a million signatures.
VoteYesMarriage.com - VoteYesMarriage.com Petitions

The deadline for getting those signatures in is this coming Monday, April 28th. They appear to be far short of that figure.

Cyn shame on you for telling such big fibs:

Welcome to ProtectMarriage.com…the official Web site for the California Marriage Protection Act.

We did it! The official count of signatures collected to place the marriage amendment on the ballot is 1,122,000! Right now we are boxing up petitions, and preparing to deliver them to all the county election officials. Thanks to all of you who made this possible!

Protect Marriage

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Looks like my source of information was incorrect, gary.

I stand corrected. My apologies.
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Looks like my source of information was incorrect, gary.

I stand corrected. My apologies.

No problem.

Thank you.
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Looks like my source of information was incorrect, gary.

I stand corrected. My apologies.
Doesn't matter to me whether it was wrong or not, that was one sad story there.
Old 04-25-2008, 02:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Doesn't matter to me whether it was wrong or not, that was one sad story there.

Some teenage kid wanting to rebel against his Mummy?

Nah it happens every day.

Rebellion against authority is one of the main reasons so many teenagers think they're homosexual or goth or get tattoos or whatever.
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rebellion makes kids think they're gay?????
ROFLMAO

"yeah, dude, I was so pissed off at the establishment and turned off by the authority my parents and teachers insisted on exerting over me, I thought to myself 'wow! I really wanna suck some dick!!!!!!!!"

you're such a douche

a STUPID douche
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Tristan, it's true!

My mom wouldn't get me a pony when I was little, and I thought, "I'll show her. Some day, I'm gonna go gay." And I did.

And now, I'm gonna keep being gay, even if she gets me TEN ponies.
Just to spite her.
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Some teenage kid wanting to rebel against his Mummy?
Not the rebel part, but the fact that this woman was trying to control her son. If he wanted to sign that paper, he had the right to, and the woman was trying to take that right away from him. That's whats so sad.
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:34 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Not the rebel part, but the fact that this woman was trying to control her son. If he wanted to sign that paper, he had the right to, and the woman was trying to take that right away from him. That's whats so sad.
In America kids under 18 don't have rights.

All parents try to control their children!
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