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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 04-28-2008, 08:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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For those that supported the FLDS raid...

Are still in support? Some of the kids are in the hospital and being kept from their parents.


Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 04/28/2008 06:09:21 AM MDT
Bishop Jeffrey Bushman, above, and other members of the... (Scott Sommerdorf/The Salt Lake Tribune)

At least nine children taken from a polygamous sect's ranch are or have been in the hospital and attorneys for most of the mothers say they have received little or no information about their conditions.
Attorneys for Texas Rio-Grande Legal Aid (TRLA) are working to identify the children and the hospitals, and to arrange for the mothers to visit the children.
"We can't seem to get anyone on the phone with authority to make that happen and the mothers don't even know the seriousness of the situation," said Amanda Chisholm, a TRLA attorney.
The legal aid society, which represents 48 mothers, said one 2-year-old child lost a severe amount of weight while staying at the San Angelo Coliseum.
TRLA said the organization was told two days ago that the child was in shock and lethargic, but has received no new information since then about where the child is or regarding her current health situation.
The mother is not being allowed to be with this child or her other nursing children, Chisholm said.
"We don't seem to be able to get in touch with anyone who can tell us," she said.
Depending on the assigned caseworker, some FLDS mothers are being allowed to see their children and some are not, Chisholm said.
Texas Child Protective Services said Friday that one child had been hospitalized because of dehydration.Asement

A CPS spokesman Sunday said he had no information on the children.
Texas authorities removed the children from the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, more than three weeks ago because of allegations of sexual and physical abuse of young girls.
The sect made another appeal to Texas Gov. Rick Perry this weekend for help.
In a letter to the governor, FLDS member Willie Jessop said many children "have been left in critical medical conditions, resulting in permanent damage through threats, intimidation and ultimately separating them from their parents."
Jessop writes that even the state's expert witness advised against separating the youngest children from their mothers. He asks for an emergency meeting with Perry.
So far, Perry has declined to meet with the FLDS and has praised Child Protective Services' actions.
The agency moved 462 children out of the San Angelo Coliseum last week, sending them to group and foster homes across Texas.
Chisholm said a master list of placements is missing names of two children taken from the ranch and TRLA has so far been unable to determine their location.
She also said mothers who were nursing children older than 12 months were told their toddlers would be kept close by so they could continue to nurse or provide breast milk for them.
But some of those toddlers have been moved hundreds of miles away and Texas Child Protective Services has not yet given permission for the mothers to visit them.
"I've been scrambling for the past two days to find out the name of the person I need to call to get permission for my client to enter that facility to nurse her children," said Chisholm, who represents four mothers. "All we've been told is to wait until Monday when they assign caseworkers to individual families."
Some mothers have been unable to confirm where their children have gone and others have learned their children have been split up and sent to different locations. TRLA learned Sunday that a child thought to be in a group home was actually in a hospital.
Some mothers, Chisholm said, "are trying to, sadly, figure out which child needs them more, a child in the hospital or a nursing baby," she said.
brooke@sltrib.com

I hope the lawsuit that is inevitable after this is lucrative for the innocent ones.
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You really do have to question the wisdom of the government on this one. Taking children away from their mothers, when no crime has been committed, should be unthinkable. However, there is the issue of just what mother goes with what children. Overall, I think this is being handled badly.
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Old 04-29-2008, 05:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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How sad this all is.
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Walsh: Reason may still prevail in Texas - Salt Lake Tribune
I agree with the last lines of this story...
"At some point, those children are going back home. And somebody's going to have to decide whether the polygamist lifestyle is so abusive that a child may no longer live it," Skordas says. "I don't think any judge in America is ever going to say that.
"I don't defend the lifestyle. But when it comes to a time that the state can take 400 kids away from a group home, that's pretty scary."

Texas ups tally of teen moms - Salt Lake Tribune
It would seem to me if a woman was forced into marriage and pregnancy, "the cavalry" coming in to save her would have her clamoring to get out of there. Call it brainwashing or whatever you want, but if the people are happy in the lifestyle that they are living, and no actual physical abuse is being proven, I call bullshit on this raid.
I still say the "the raise young girls to have sex with them" mantra is just smear. Why would you go through all that this sect has just to have sex with a teenager? The age of consent in Texas was 14 when they moved in, they were legal until they changed the law, they didn't need to build a compound to do that. Somehow I think it's a little more involved than that. It's not like this is the only compound. There are many spread out in the western states. This is just how they separate themselves from the MTV, athiests, whores, and all the other crap that this country is turning into.
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These people are crazy and are living in a cult. It is more then brainwashing when there aren't any other options available to these women and children. And physical abuse has been proven already, there are at least 31 teen aged girls who are mothers or are pregnant right now. When you are born into something, and aren't allowed to know anything else, that isn't a lifestyle choice. I can't believe how forgiving people here are for this insanity.
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These people are crazy and are living in a cult. It is more then brainwashing when there aren't any other options available to these women and children. And physical abuse has been proven already, there are at least 31 teen aged girls who are mothers or are pregnant right now. When you are born into something, and aren't allowed to know anything else, that isn't a lifestyle choice. I can't believe how forgiving people here are for this insanity.

Im not for it. At the same time, Im not for what is happening to these children right now either. This whole mess is just a disaster. May Gods will be done regarding these children.
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Unfortunately, what is happening to these children is their parents fault, not the government's.
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Unfortunately, what is happening to these children is their parents fault, not the government's.

But even you just said, women who were born into this never had a choice. So why are there 2 year old children being seperated from there mothers? That IS the goverments fault.
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They have to protect these kids from exactly the situation that their mother's are in now. If the mothers truly love their kids, they will denounce their cult and do what is required to get their kids back. The government will help them do that.
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They have to protect these kids from exactly the situation that their mother's are in now. If the mothers truly love their kids, they will denounce their cult and do what is required to get their kids back. The government will help them do that.
And in the mean time, these kids are being scared for life
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