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View Poll Results: Can private, community militias be a good thing?
Yes 16 51.61%
No 7 22.58%
Undecided 7 22.58%
No, we can depend on the Military & Guard to handle everything 1 3.23%
Jesus is all we need! 0 0%
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Old 05-06-2005, 10:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Right to Form a Well Regulated Militia...

I have to ask, how does everyone feel about the right to form a Militia?

I for one am in favor of the idea. I am not talking about a kook squad, but a group of individuals who get together, in a disciplined, self regulated manner, and train to react to the worse case scenarios. In addition to being able to assist in a time of natural disaster, they could also very well prove to be our last line of defense in the event of a Presidential Tyrant, or the declaration of martial law.

I am not talking about the National Guard, rather a separate, private, community run militiawho could stand ready to serve the interests of thier community if and when needed.

Before WWII California had a Naval Militia, who proved to be so effective and useful that the Navy made them a part of the active Naval Force during the war. There can be benefits to such an organization. Like grown up boyscouts with guns...

The Civil Air Patrol is a close example, but they are too closely controled by the USAF.
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Not only are militias a good thing, but they are proven effective. I am a member of a militia myself, and we stand to set an example for the local community and to scare the undesireables enough to ensure they do not harass the good moral population. The police and military can not always be where they are needed and there just isn't enough funding for either, thats where militias can fill in.
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Old 06-27-2005, 01:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Not only are militias a good thing, but they are proven effective. I am a member of a militia myself, and we stand to set an example for the local community and to scare the undesireables enough to ensure they do not harass the good moral population. The police and military can not always be where they are needed and there just isn't enough funding for either, thats where militias can fill in.
I have a feeling that your militia is not the kind I was talking about.
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Although I see the possible advantages to private self regulated militas. Still, I would be concerned that, without any outside regulation, any jerk with a gun, a six pack, and a couple of buddies could prance around in cute pajamas and call themselves a militia, causing a great risk to the community. Don't believe me, look at our cross burning friend and what his so called "milita" has done in the past.

P.S. I find the idea that this guy is in the klan to be laughable. I am betting that when he said he was in a milita, he mean a Count clan or something.
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Although I see the possible advantages to private self regulated militas. Still, I would be concerned that, without any outside regulation, any jerk with a gun, a six pack, and a couple of buddies could prance around in cute pajamas and call themselves a militia, causing a great risk to the community. Don't believe me, look at our cross burning friend and what his so called "milita" has done in the past.

P.S. I find the idea that this guy is in the klan to be laughable. I am betting that when he said he was in a milita, he mean a Count clan or something.
He definately is not in the sort of militia I am talking about. And I will be honest with you, that not only do I think private militias have a place, I think they are becoming a majpr industry. I am not talking about the clan or a group of random quacks, I am talking about well funded, organized, regulated militias, such as those currently serving along side our Armed Forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. I would prefer to see them less corporate, but I do think they have a role to play. I just wanted to see what others thought. And I am really surprised that this has not gotten more discussion.
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I thought there would be much more debate on this as well. But my question is, even if a "non quack" group would be useful, how could the quacks be weeded out? Also, what would private militas do for us that the exisiting military branches could not do if give the resources that would go to fund private militas?
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I think it's a good idea in theory, but I'm not so sure about it's practical use. I don't think there should be a need for militias anyway.
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I thought there would be much more debate on this as well. But my question is, even if a "non quack" group would be useful, how could the quacks be weeded out? Also, what would private militas do for us that the exisiting military branches could not do if give the resources that would go to fund private militas?
Well the advantage is that the private militias provide their own resources. The corporate militias that are being used overseas right now may cost more than our military does in the short term, but the advantage to the governement is that when the job is done and the contract has ended, we stop paying the private groups for their help.
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How do these private militias afford to have the upto date weapons and training that are necessary to provide any sort of significant protection as a last line of defense?
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Not only are militias a good thing, but they are proven effective. I am a member of a militia myself, and we stand to set an example for the local community and to scare the undesireables enough to ensure they do not harass the good moral population. The police and military can not always be where they are needed and there just isn't enough funding for either, thats where militias can fill in.

The problem is your not a well regulated militia.
Vigilantes do not count.


The 2nd amendment was created to protect the state from a tyranical government. Many people have added other items to justify guns or oppose guns. But, those issues are irrevelvant. The purpose of the second amendment is not for self defense, not for hunting, etc... The countries first constitution was not working, so in 1778 they got rid of it and made a new one the one we presently have. Under the old constitution the States where more powerful than the federal goverment. This was becoming a problem for the United States. They decided to that the Federal government need more power if the United States was to survive. To guarantee the states that the Federal government would not become a tyrany they granted the right to the people to bear arms in a well regulated miltia against a federal government gone bad.
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