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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Dreamin Posts: 3,212
| An Ex Police Chief Speaks Out Against The War On Drugs NORM STAMPER, FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE, SEATTLE, WA - Historically, the criminalization of drugs was a revenue-producing public policy. It was, 'If we're going to make money off these drugs, we've got to regulate them.' It began as taxation, and then we started moralizing the behavior -- attaching moral judgments to the use of drugs, and demonizing the drug users. If we were an honest nation, consistent and with any integrity, we would do the same thing with caffeine, nicotine and alcohol, but we don't. While there are restrictions, certainly, on the use of nicotine and alcohol, both of those substances and the behaviors around them are perfectly legal for adults, yet we know that cigarette addiction is the most egregious form of addiction. But we're fundamentally dishonest, and in demonizing illicit drug users, we deny medical attention for those who choose to get off drugs. We under-invest in smart education and prevention programs; we deny IV drug users clean syringes in many, many cities. We deny them methadone when it has been clearly established that that's a healthier alternative to heroin. You have to start with the premise that if tobacco and alcohol, with all of their harms and enormous social and financial costs, are lawful substances, then how can we, in good conscience, deny somebody the right to smoke a joint -- or to snort coke or shoot heroin? I don't do those things, but I believe I ought to have a right to do those things. From very early on, we teach children that the people who use drugs are monsters and fiends. Well, excuse me, but they're not. Some of them manage to handle it successfully, and many do not. Many abuse the drugs and wind up very ill psychologically, physiologically, mentally, emotionally. But rather than demonizing them, we ought to be reaching out to help them. If we spent far less money on the supply side of the supply/demand equation, we'd be able to spend much more money on prevention, education, medication and rehabilitation and the like. . . I was really impressed, during my days as Seattle's police chief, with a visit to representatives of The Hague. These are judges, prosecutors and high-ranking police officers -- about a dozen of them. We started talking about drug enforcement. They made clear that they continue to go after organized-crime drug dealers, which is terrific and I would never advocate stopping. But they recognized that drug use is a social problem, and if adults take drugs and behave responsibly under their influence -- i.e., don't drive, don't batter, don't furnish the kids -- they'll leave them alone. If they've got a problem of abuse -- which is fundamentally a medical problem -- then they get help, and the cops are on board with that. That's also true in Canada, where the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police advocated decriminalization of marijuana. All of this has to do with the obscene level of profit associated with illicit drug dealing. The reason illicit drugs cost so much money is because they are illicit. If government would enter the regulation picture as it has with tobacco and alcohol, it could easily transform a pretty miserable picture into a better one. It will never be rosy, but it can be a much healthier and more sensible picture. http://prorev.com/2005/06/ex-police-...gainst-war.htm Last edited by intangible child; 12-19-2006 at 12:11 PM. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Dreamin Posts: 3,212
| Rethinking the war on drugs Twenty years before the war on terror, we had a war on drugs. Colombian army operations in coca fields In Colombia and Peru, troops still battle the drugs trade By the 1990s, when I spent a lot of time in Colombia and Peru, the main centres for growing coca for cocaine, it was clear the war on drugs had been comprehensively lost. At first, if you suggested that to officials in Washington or London, they would question your motives: you must be anti-American, or biased against the prime minister of the day. Yet by the end of the 1990s, although no government officials on either side of the Atlantic wanted to be quoted as saying so, they would privately agree that, yes, they had failed to stop the exponential growth in cocaine and heroin. Now, the very phrase "war on drugs" has fallen out of use. The drugs have been allowed to win. Unfair trade There are all sorts of reasons why this had happened, many of them connected with the nature of Western society. If a famous model, earning millions a year, wants to snort coke, she will easily find someone to supply it to her, at a healthy price. Coca market in rural Colombia In many parts of Latin American drugs dominate the local economy The drugs business offers one of the best returns on investment of any commodity on earth. It operates according to the pure, undistorted laws of the market. And its greatest, though unconscious, supporters have been the governments of the European Union and the United States. A few years ago I went with a camera crew to a frightening little drugs town in north-eastern Peru, where the farmers mostly grew coca. I assumed they would be violent and aggressive. Not at all: they were the ones who were scared. Every week or so gangs of armed, drugged-out tracateros, or buyers, would erupt into the town, forcing the growers to sell their coca paste to them at rock-bottom prices. "So," I asked, "Why don't you simply grow something that won't get you into trouble? Maize, or wheat, or something?" As it happened, we were close to a little shop. The chief spokesmen of the coca growers took me by the arm and led me inside. There were all sorts of foods and vegetables for sale, mostly imported from the United States or the EU. He told me how much each item cost; it was clear that every one of them had been dumped on the market at a fraction of its real value. "We're just poor peasants," he said. "We can't compete. We can't afford to grow these things so cheaply." The only commodity they could grow which wasn't fiercely undercut by the artificially cheap produce of Europe and America was coca. Gap in the market? Americans and Europeans have got themselves into the ludicrous position where they pay their farmers huge amounts to dump their surplus produce on the rest of the world. They then spend even larger amounts trying to deal with the social problems which are created by drugs - the only thing the deprived farmers of the developing world can grow without competition from the north. So what are we to do? When a new idea comes along people quickly start to point out how far short of perfection it falls Something about agricultural subsidies would be nice, but that certainly isn't going to happen, either in the US or Europe. Yet there are other possibilities, and here is one of them. This week, in Kabul, a French think-tank called the Senlis Council, which specialises in drug policy, is holding an international conference about the trade in opium and heroin. Afghanistan now produces something like 85% of the world's opium poppies, and most Afghan heroin ends up in Europe and the US. Since the overthrow of the Taleban the position has grown much worse. The Senlis Council is making a proposal which is receiving guarded but positive responses from many different governments and organisations. It springs from a bit of lateral thinking by the Council's boss, earlier this year. Someone pointed out that there was a worldwide shortage of opiate-derived painkillers, chiefly morphine and codeine. Suppose, it was suggested, the opiates which cause such trouble in the form of heroin were diverted to medical use instead? New thinking The Senlis Council carried out a feasibility study with the help of several universities, and the idea stood up. Opium poppies in Afghanistan Afghan farmers can get a higher price for opium than for other goods The plan would be to buy the produce of the poppy-growers, instead of allowing it to go to the big drugs middle-men who operate in Pakistan and Afghanistan itself. What tends to happen when an idea like this comes along is that people start to point out how far short of perfection it falls, instead of accepting that it might present, say, a 60% improvement on what exists already. Because it isn't a 100% solution, it gets discarded. The Senlis Council certainly doesn't expect that its big new idea will solve the problem of the heroin trade, but it might do some good. And it will certainly redress the absurd position whereby the world has more heroin, proportionately, than it has morphine. Not an awful lot of logic has been applied to the drugs trade over the years. It could do with some now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4282306.stm | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4
| As long as someone in power to legislate is getting a cut of something somewhere, legalization, IMHO, will never occur. It's the golden rule; he who has the gold, rules. But I truly admire what you did here in outlining the history and what's the angle. Thank you. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Dreamin Posts: 3,212
| The link to the article was gone found it in the wayback machine! UNDERNEWS: AN EX POLICE CHIEF SPEAKS OUT AGAINST THE WAR ON DRUGS Live the Light, Give the Light, Bring Heaven to Earth Every Day! I am not a human being having a spiritual experience, I am a spiritual being having a human experience. The ancient Greeks used to say, "You shall know a man by the friends that he keeps." Given the nature of their friends and advisers, what are we to conclude about the Republican party: Stop the madness before us it stops! Σταματήστε την τρέλα προτού να μας σταματήσεϊ Greek | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Head of Security Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Cradle of Liberty Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,854 Country: ![]()
| I've spent the majority of my career fighting the war on drugs, all over South America but especially Columbia & Peru... The conditions there are sad, and the fact is that we are pretty ineffectual. We love to boast how much drugs we stop. The important number is how much we don't stop. We know for a fact that for every ton we stop, ten tons get by, that's sad. What's worse is that a lot of Americans, Cubans and Peruvians die each year because we aren't smart enough to realize that prohibition does not work. Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand. http://www.armysailor.com http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog ------------------------------------ Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere Quixotic Journey | |||||||||||||||||||||
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