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Freedom or Safety?

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View Poll Results: Freedom or Safety?
Freedom 6 85.71%
Safety 1 14.29%
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Old 05-07-2005, 06:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Freedom or Safety?
I am just curious...

In a completely hypothetical scenario. I am aware that no situation is as extreme as the one I am posing. But if you could have ONLY ONE...

Which would you Choose?

There can be no blend of the two...
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Old 05-08-2005, 01:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Who the hell would choose safety over freedom?

People are so sheltered.
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Old 05-14-2005, 02:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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There can be no blend of the two...
There has been a blend of the two since the Constitution was ratified in 1789.

If your intention is to somehow debunk the "Patriot Act", then I would ask you to provide an exact example of how the "Patriot Act" is unconstitutional. GOODLUCK!...You'll need it.
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Old 05-16-2005, 01:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Axiom
There has been a blend of the two since the Constitution was ratified in 1789.

If your intention is to somehow debunk the "Patriot Act", then I would ask you to provide an exact example of how the "Patriot Act" is unconstitutional. GOODLUCK!...You'll need it.
Axiom, I have tried to get specific points, and time and again have only gotten broad generalizations.

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Old 05-16-2005, 09:32 AM   #5 (permalink)
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There can be no blend of the two...
There has been a blend of the two since the Constitution was ratified in 1789.

If your intention is to somehow debunk the "Patriot Act", then I would ask you to provide an exact example of how the "Patriot Act" is unconstitutional. GOODLUCK!...You'll need it.
You are missing the point... I meant there can be no blend of the two, for the purposes of this theoretical excercise. I thought I had made that pretty clear...
Old 05-16-2005, 01:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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There can be no blend of the two...
There has been a blend of the two since the Constitution was ratified in 1789.

If your intention is to somehow debunk the "Patriot Act", then I would ask you to provide an exact example of how the "Patriot Act" is unconstitutional. GOODLUCK!...You'll need it.
You are missing the point... I meant there can be no blend of the two, for the purposes of this theoretical excercise. I thought I had made that pretty clear...
You made it very clear, and I think you proved a very good point in doing so.
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I think the Patriot Act is clearly unconstitutional.
But it don't take much to get me by
So just booze me up and get me high
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You made it very clear, and I think you proved a very good point in doing so.
Thank you.

I thought everyone else had seen the point too, but I guess it eluded a few... Any wonder that it was someone who most likely identifies himself as a Republican?
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I think the Patriot Act is clearly unconstitutional.
As do I, and anyone else with any sense of reason.
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I think the Patriot Act is clearly unconstitutional.
Why and How??? What about the Act is unconstitutional, cite specific points no broad generalizations.

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