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Old 04-30-2006, 02:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Why Abortion is Biblical
One sided. That's the abortion stance of most Christians -- one sided. We hear the Christian Coalition speak against abortion. We hear Focus on the Family tell Republican candidates it will not support them unless they state their opposition to abortion. We hear Operation Rescue's Christian members praying God will turn back the clock and make abortion illegal again. Over and over we are bombarded with the "Christian" perspective that abortion is outright wrong, no exceptions.

With all these groups chanting the same mantra, there must be some pretty overwhelming biblical evidence of abortion's evil, right?

Wrong. In reality there is merely overwhelming evidence that most people don't take time to read their own Bibles. People will listen to their pastors and to Christian radio broadcasters. They will skim through easy-to-read pamphlets and perhaps look up the one or two verses printed therein, but they don't actually read their Bibles and make up their own minds on issues such as abortion. They merely listen to others who quote a verse to support a view they heard from someone else. By definition, most Christians, rather than reading for themselves, follow the beliefs of a Culture of Christianity -- and many of the Culture's beliefs are based on one or two verses of the Bible, often taken out of context.

This is most definitely the case when it comes to abortion. Ask most anti-abortion Christians to support their view, and they'll give you a couple of verses. One, quite obviously, is the Commandment against murder. But that begs the question of whether or not abortion is murder, which begs the question of whether or not a fetus is the same as a full-term human person. To support their beliefs, these Christians point to one of three bible verses that refer to God working in the womb. The first is found in Psalms:

"For Thou didst form my inward parts; Thou didst weave me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to Thee, for Thou art fearfully wonderful (later texts were changed to read "for I am fearfully and wonderfully made"); wonderful are Thy works, and my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from Thee, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth. Thine eyes have seen my unformed substance; and in Thy book they were all written, the days that were ordained for me, when as yet there was not one of them."

Psalm 139:13-16
Although this passage does make the point that God was involved in the creation of this particular human being, it does not state that during the creation the fetus is indeed a person. According to Genesis, God was involved in the creation of every living thing, and yet that doesn't make every living thing a full human person. In other words, just because God was involved in its creation, it does not mean terminating it is the same as murder. It's only murder if a full human person is destroyed.
http://www.elroy.net/ehr/abortion.html

There is actually one commandment from God to Moses to have a priest mix a potion that might produce an abortion if a man's wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31).

http://www.population-security.org/swom-97-11.htm

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:: There is actually one commandment from God to Moses to have a priest mix a potion that might produce an abortion if a man's wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31).::

Fraid not. I just read it, and it doesn't say what you claimed.

First of all, it says nothing about the woman being pregnant.
Kind of significant, don't you think?

It says that if she has been unfaithful, the drink will make her belly swell and her thigh rot. Presumably those are signs to confirm the husband's suspicions to him, since there have been no witnesses.
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The passage implies that the drink might make the woman infertile in the future (again IF she has been unfaithful).

But nowhere does it talk about the drink causing an abortion.
And it would, if that is what it meant, because an abortion is mentioned in Exodus.
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:: There is actually one commandment from God to Moses to have a priest mix a potion that might produce an abortion if a man's wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31).::

Fraid not. I just read it, and it doesn't say what you claimed.

First of all, it says nothing about the woman being pregnant.
Kind of significant, don't you think?

It says that if she has been unfaithful, the drink will make her belly swell and her thigh rot. Presumably those are signs to confirm the husband's suspicions to him, since there have been no witnesses.
Also,
The passage implies that the drink might make the woman infertile in the future (again IF she has been unfaithful).

But nowhere does it talk about the drink causing an abortion.
And it would, if that is what it meant, because an abortion is mentioned in Exodus.
If her thighs rot, she will abort!
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Just an old wives' tale. Look at all the women with rotten thighs who carry their pregnancies to term swimmingly.
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http://www.orgonelab.org/contracep.htm

God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. Genesis 1:29

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I'm guessing you meant to post that in either the drugs or vegee thread.
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No, here I was having one of my Yoga-tantrums.
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Ah, that eastern mood lability rears its head again.
I tried to read the link, but an ad for a "powerful apple cleanse" kept getting in the way.
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Wish it away.

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