Defending the Truth

tadpole256 · 10-14-2006, 03:30 PM

Knowledge is power...

The Bill of Rights (including the Preamble to the Bill of Rights)

Katczinsky · 10-14-2006, 10:29 PM

Hmm. I have studied the constitution. And just in case I may have forgetten something, I usually have a pocket-sized one with me (along with the Declaration of Independence). So yeah, I know my rights.

sgtdmski · 10-17-2006, 03:23 AM

Yet some 48% of Americans believe that the constitution actually says that there should be a separation of church and state. only 40% of respondents could name the Vice President, British Prime Minister and Speaker of the House. This poll was recently discussed on ABC Good Morning America. Surprising how few people know the correct answers to some basic questions on American Government.

dmk

Katczinsky · 10-17-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

Surprising how few people know the correct answers to some basic questions on American Government.

dmk

And apparently you among them. Seperation of church and state is in the First Amendment. It has been described as so by the Supreme Court, professional lawyers, and even one of the first amendment's principal shapers Thomas Jefferson.

If you're right then you have some secret knowlege that has been witheld from the annals of American government since the passage of the first ten amendments to the Constitution. And perhaps you should go back and "reeducate" all of those government teachers. Because I know mine said it was there (and he was a conservative).

However, you said the question said that "the Constitution says there should be a separation of church and state." If that is so then the poll is misleading and biased. Because I would also say no to that question. Because the Constitution outlines that there is a separation, not that there should be.

alias · 10-18-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

And apparently you among them. Seperation of church and state is in the First Amendment. It has been described as so by the Supreme Court, professional lawyers, and even one of the first amendment's principal shapers Thomas Jefferson.

If you're right then you have some secret knowlege that has been witheld from the annals of American government since the passage of the first ten amendments to the Constitution. And perhaps you should go back and "reeducate" all of those government teachers. Because I know mine said it was there (and he was a conservative).

However, you said the question said that "the Constitution says there should be a separation of church and state." If that is so then the poll is misleading and biased. Because I would also say no to that question. Because the Constitution outlines that there is a separation, not that there should be.

There is no "separation of church and state" in the constitution. There is a document that has the phrase "separation of church and state" and that is the communist manifesto. Liberals never met a communist dictator they didn't like.

The constitution says to keep government out of religion so people may freely exercise their religous beliefs. That is what it says. You have a copy on you, read it for yourself. Read what it says exactly without adding your interpretation. It's pretty plain and direct. It takes a liberal mind to misinterpret it. You stumble on the 6th word and that is why you don't get it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

foundit66 · 10-18-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

There is no "separation of church and state" in the constitution. There is a document that has the phrase "separation of church and state" and that is the communist manifesto. Liberals never met a communist dictator they didn't like.

Wow.
I'm amazed at how many times the same people think the above is an intelligent argument. (It isn't.)
Just because the EXACT PHRASE "separation of church and state" isn't found in the constitution doesn't mean that WHAT THE PHRASE MEANS isn't originating in the constitution.

The word "transubstantiation" isn't found in the Bible. I guess that means it must be a communist ideology???

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Originally Posted by alias

The constitution says to keep government out of religion so people may freely exercise their religous beliefs. That is what it says. You have a copy on you, read it for yourself. Read what it says exactly without adding your interpretation. It's pretty plain and direct. It takes a liberal mind to misinterpret it. You stumble on the 6th word and that is why you don't get it.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

The sixth word is "respecting".

Actually, it's the EIGHTH word which is the issue, further underscoring how little you actually understand about this issue.
It's referred to as the ESTABLISHMENT Clause.

The last time you and I discussed that, didn't you admit that I was right?
Or was that just another lie of yours?

alias · 10-18-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Wow.
I'm amazed at how many times the same people think the above is an intelligent argument. (It isn't.)
Just because the EXACT PHRASE "separation of church and state" isn't found in the constitution doesn't mean that WHAT THE PHRASE MEANS isn't originating in the constitution.

The word "transubstantiation" isn't found in the Bible. I guess that means it must be a communist ideology???

The sixth word is "respecting".

Actually, it's the EIGHTH word which is the issue, further underscoring how little you actually understand about this issue.
It's referred to as the ESTABLISHMENT Clause.

The last time you and I discussed that, didn't you admit that I was right?
Or was that just another lie of yours?

If I ever admitted you were right, I must have been drunk. The fact is the clause states perfectly clear that government shall not establish a state religion and people of America are free to practice their religion without government interference. That is what is says. Too bad you and your pals don't understand that and have to appoint your whore judges to legislate from the bench to get your way in flagrant opposition to the Constitution of the United States.

foundit66 · 10-18-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

If I ever admitted you were right, I must have been drunk.

I have assumed that is your typical posting state of mind.
It explains a lot...

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Originally Posted by alias

The fact is the clause states perfectly clear that government shall not establish a state religion and people of America are free to practice their religion without government interference. That is what is says.

Wrong.
You JUST QUOTED it...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Like I told you the first time we had this conversation, a "law respecting an establishment of religion" DOES NOT mean the same thing as "establishing a state religion".

The first is very vague. The second, your claimed summary, is inappropriately specific.

The last time I gave you this link, you insisted that you already knew what it said and that it was wrong. Since you seem to be no longer utilizing that ploy, maybe you can read and comprehend this time.
Probably not, but hope springs eternal...

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Originally Posted by alias

Too bad you and your pals don't understand that and have to appoint your whore judges to legislate from the bench to get your way in flagrant opposition to the Constitution of the United States.

Yeah. It's "me and my pals" who do this.
It's typically the EXTREME right that refuses to recognize the existence of separation of church and state. It's a concept that has survived for quite a long time, despite the shifts in power in the judiciary.

But keep telling yourself that it's a "liberal" thing if that's what you need to think.

alias · 10-18-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

I have assumed that is your typical posting state of mind.
It explains a lot...

Wrong.
You JUST QUOTED it...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Like I told you the first time we had this conversation, a "law respecting an establishment of religion" DOES NOT mean the same thing as "establishing a state religion".

The first is very vague. The second, your claimed summary, is inappropriately specific.

The last time I gave you this link, you insisted that you already knew what it said and that it was wrong. Since you seem to be no longer utilizing that ploy, maybe you can read and comprehend this time.
Probably not, but hope springs eternal...

Yeah. It's "me and my pals" who do this.
It's typically the EXTREME right that refuses to recognize the existence of separation of church and state. It's a concept that has survived for quite a long time, despite the shifts in power in the judiciary.

But keep telling yourself that it's a "liberal" thing if that's what you need to think.

Bullshit. It means congress shall not establish a religion. That is what it says and that is what it means. You keep telling me that is not what it means. You don't have any idea what you are talking about. That clause was put there explicitly to keep the government from establishing a state religion. I can't help it if you can't understand it. It's as plain as the wart on your nose. You no longer surprise me. The bible, the constitution, homosexuality, everything you attempt to debate you get trounced and have to resort to making things up. Anyone with a grade school education can understand it.

alias · 10-18-2006, 08:43 PM

I did a little research for you to help you out. Here is an outline for a civics class. Read it and find out what "establishment" means.

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