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So... had this idiot NOT committed suicide, should he have gotten the Death Penalty for this?

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The death penalty for this? Hell no!!! The son of a bitch wanted to die.

This is what I think is so messed up about the death penalty. To me, we're giving the absolute worst criminals a free ride. Most people would want to be put to sleep rather than live out the rest of their lives living in a hellish solitary confinement with just your conscience to haunt you for your every waking moment.

True. People go insane in solitary. The death penalty alleviates them of years of hardship which they deserve for whichever crime they comitted.

What was the name of that man who was convicted as a co-conspirator in 9/11? Am I the only person glad he didn't die, that he'll live in the same 6x6 square room all the rest of his life?

Here's a question for you:

I'm going to assume, from your few posts, that you lean liberal in your political ideology - which is fine (if you want to be a moron )

Here's what I'm not quite "getting": I've always seen that liberals tend to be very much against capital punishment. But then I see some of our local liberals - Hevusa, Katzinsky, etc. - speaking out against the execution of Saddam Hussein because it was far too good of treatment for him.

So... are liberals against capital punishment because it's too brutal, or because it's too nice?

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What was the name of that man who was convicted as a co-conspirator in 9/11? Am I the only person glad he didn't die, that he'll live in the same 6x6 square room all the rest of his life?

inqured antithesis.

Anti, that is unconscionable to even think of!

Last night I watched Law and Order: SUV and it showed a man that was a rapist/murderer. His mother locked him in a closet many many times when he was just a little toddler. And it was dark and scary and she left the house with him locked in there.

I do not think that it is the right of the corrections institutions to cause someone to go insane. I think that is one very awful thought you pose, as if that is a right judgement!

Mercy triumphs over judgement.

OD

True, very true, but life without parole is always an option. Solitary is hell, but life in prison downright sucks.

If I felt that I was young enough to go back to school, I would get whatever degree necessary to be a social worker to advocate for the interior population in this country. There are far too many abuses, correction officers to inmate as well as inmate to inmate.
A term in jail or prison is mean to be punitive and corrective, and really when abuses are done to the one sentenced, it only works against correction and is a travesty of what was ordered by the court.

OD

So what is the option???

We send people to prison who commit crimes. Nowadays people complain and evidence supports the fact that many people learn to be better criminals in prison.

If you are sentence to prison as a thief, many times you get hardened during your time because you are in with murderers. You are taught to kill, and to fight and to stay alive. When you come out, this is what you know.

Perhaps if we used the death penalty more often against these hardened criminals they would not have the ability to influence many of the first time offenders. Then we would have a opportunity for them to rehabilitate rather than become more violent when released.

Just a thought

dmk

In regards to "normal" use of the death penalty I feel it is brutal because
a) it doesn't prevent crime
b) innocent people have been shown to be executed or on death row
c) it teaches that revenge is moral to our society in a sense

In cases like Saddam Hussein it is far too nice because it just totally lets them off the hook. But that is sort of true of normal execution as well. I just don't see the punishment in being allowed to die when you face a life behind bars.

a) We both know there are a lot of variable involved there. But yes, certain statistics do show that it does not deter crime.
b) This too is true.
c) I think that's debatable. I believe it can be shown to teach justice and the value of human life. Willfully kill somebody - aka, take a life - and you give your life in return.


It's just that I find it so interesting that most liberals (and I'm not being insulting here, at least not for the moment) seem to do some flip-flops on this one. Nothing more or less. I just find it kind of interesting...