Big Government or Small Government?

RevrseTheCurse04 · 02-02-2005, 08:55 PM

Do we need reform with programs like welfare and other government programs?

Spinoza · 03-08-2005, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RevrseTheCurse04

Do we need reform with programs like welfare and other government programs?

I think we certainly do, the programs are outdated, we must reform them. However part of the problem is the constant cycle of reduction in spending and tax cuts. It's the consistent rape of the system that continues to weaken it.

Welfare has a dramatic impact on peoples lives when properly used, people depend on Social Security to live in their old age. It's important to protect those people. It's important that we are responsible in the execution and funding of these social programs. Its not about big government, its about a small government that works for the people and not the elite.

RidinHighSpeeds · 03-09-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RevrseTheCurse04

Do we need reform with programs like welfare and other government programs?

I think we certainly do, the programs are outdated, we must reform them. However part of the problem is the constant cycle of reduction in spending and tax cuts. It's the consistent rape of the system that continues to weaken it.

Welfare has a dramatic impact on peoples lives when properly used, people depend on Social Security to live in their old age. It's important to protect those people. It's important that we are responsible in the execution and funding of these social programs. Its not about big government, its about a small government that works for the people and not the elite.

What happens when a Republican in office tries to reform these outdated programs??

Exactly.

Mr.G, Tear Down This Wall · 03-18-2005, 11:51 PM

We should cut taxes, and actually send them where we say we're gonna send them.

RidinHighSpeeds · 03-19-2005, 10:42 AM

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people depend on Social Security to live in their old age

People should learn not to depend on social security to live in their old age...

hevusa · 03-21-2005, 06:18 PM

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people depend on Social Security to live in their old age

People should learn not to depend on social security to live in their old age...

Why do you think Europeans enjoy more vacations, less work hours per week, and a better standard of living in their old age?

More taxes that go where they are supposed to (not military).

RidinHighSpeeds · 03-21-2005, 07:37 PM

You wouldn't say that if one of your family members was killed during a terrorist attack because we did not fund our military. Would you?

Even if we did not fund our military, or other programs, social security would still be heading down the wrong road. That is why we need social security reform.

hevusa · 03-21-2005, 08:29 PM

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You wouldn't say that if one of your family members was killed during a terrorist attack because we did not fund our military. Would you?

Even if we did not fund our military, or other programs, social security would still be heading down the wrong road. That is why we need social security reform.

I'm not saying we should eliminate military spending. But I do think it needs to take a back seat to the building blocks of a sucessful and happy populous.

The following pie chart illustrates the Bush Administration's proposal for federal discretionary spending in fiscal year 2006

Over the past three years two huge tax cuts have decimated our budget, putting more money into the pockets of the nation’s wealthiest while simultaneously taking tax dollars away from our schools, health care programs and national security. If these tax cuts become permanent middle- and low- income taxpayers will bear the brunt of the $2.2 trillion cost in the form of reduced services or higher taxes.

Under the new tax laws:
• Families earning an average of $938,000 receive an average tax break of $51,627, while workers making $35,000 receive an average tax break of $827.
• Corporate taxes at their lowest levels since the 1930’s— corporations have been given $177 billion in tax breaks, plus offshore tax shelters to avoid taxation.
• Fifty billion dollars of revenue lost each year due to widening loopholes and massive corporate tax breaks.
• The tax burden shifts away from millionaires and onto families making less than $75,000 a year.

New proposals, including making the tax cut permanent would:

• Provide the top one percent of Americans with 50 percent of the benefits.
• Give an average $144,000 tax break to Millionaires.
• Cost the United States $20 billion in revenue just to give money back to two percent of wealthy Americans who currently pay an estate tax.
• Force average taxpayers to pay a greater share of their own income for public services that the wealthy use, too.

Economists: Federal deficit a bigger risk than terrorism

http://www.usatoday.com/money/econom...eat-nabe_x.htm

The president, whose approval ratings are down on almost every issue, has yet to sell the country on his plan for Social Security

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7240970/site/newsweek/

hevusa · 03-21-2005, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds

You wouldn't say that if one of your family members was killed during a terrorist attack because we did not fund our military. Would you?

Even if we did not fund our military, or other programs, social security would still be heading down the wrong road. That is why we need social security reform.

Here is a presentation that even conservatives can understand.

Oreo Budget Presentation

How many times can you be wrong RidinHighSpeeds?

onthefence · 03-21-2005, 09:36 PM

makes sense to me, I even signed up at the end.