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Old 12-22-2006, 01:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Interesting Statistic
This is really interesting.

We CONSTANTLY hear people screaming about how Americans have NO HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But now a New York Times articles comes out - and we find out that 52% of all births in New York City, during 2005, were paid for by Medicaid! That's over half of them!

But... But... But... All of these people are supposed to be victims! There's no health-care for the majority of Americans!!!!!

What THIS proves is that there IS health-care for virtually ALL Americans - and MANY Americans don't pay one danged penny for their health-care!

Pretty blamed good deal, if you ask me!

New York City Birth Rate Plunges - December 21, 2006 - The New York Sun

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Old 12-29-2006, 09:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, actually someone does pay....the taxpayer.
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Old 12-29-2006, 09:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yep, that's kind of the point.

All these bleeding heart cry-babies who act as though millions upon millions upon millions of Americans are DYING because they absolutely cannot get in for medical car, are deluded and/or lying.
Old 12-29-2006, 08:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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And all the dems and liberals said.............................................. .................................................. .......................NOTHING.
Old 12-30-2006, 10:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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This is really interesting.

We CONSTANTLY hear people screaming about how Americans have NO HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But now a New York Times articles comes out - and we find out that 52% of all births in New York City, during 2005, were paid for by Medicaid! That's over half of them!

But... But... But... All of these people are supposed to be victims! There's no health-care for the majority of Americans!!!!!

What THIS proves is that there IS health-care for virtually ALL Americans - and MANY Americans don't pay one danged penny for their health-care!

Pretty blamed good deal, if you ask me!

New York City Birth Rate Plunges - December 21, 2006 - The New York Sun
Hmm.. am I missing the New York Times article? All I see in your post is a New York Sun article, and it doesn't have the 52% statistic you mention, just stuff about how the birth rate is down.
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Hmm.. am I missing the New York Times article? All I see in your post is a New York Sun article, and it doesn't have the 52% statistic you mention, just stuff about how the birth rate is down.
I think you've got to scroll through all 3 pages.
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And it has nothing to do with the insane cost of living in New York City

30 to 40 million Americans have NO health coverage whatsoever.

Pretty desperate if you ask me Jefferson.
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I think you've got to scroll through all 3 pages.
Thanks! I totally missed the "Continued" link!
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45.8 million without ANY coverage
My understanding of Medicaid is that while eligibility is determined by federal requirements, it is further determined by the states. So New York might place a higher value on covering births than other states.


If you look online for the number of persons without any form of medical insurance, you still find that in 2004 "45.8 million people were without health insurance coverage, up from 45.0 million people in 2003." Source: Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2004 [PDF] report, page 23.

Investigating what "health insurance coverage" meant in the report, I found this: "The CPS ASEC asks about health insurance coverage in the previous calendar year. The questionnaire asks separate questions about the major types of health insurance and people who answer “no” to each of these questions are then asked to verify that they were, in fact, not covered by any type of health insurance. For the purpose of this report, the Census Bureau broadly classifies health insurance coverage as private or government coverage. Private health insurance is coverage by a plan provided through an employer or union or purchased by an individual from a private company. Government health insurance includes the federal programs Medicare, Medicaid, and military health care; the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP); and individual state health plans.* People were considered “insured” if they were covered by any type of health insurance for part or all of the previous year, and everyone else was considered uninsured."
"* Types of insurance are not mutually exclusive and people may be covered by more than one during the year."
The reader is then referred to Appendix E for more information.

45.8 million people is alot of people without coverage of any sort. It is these Americans who have to decide between healthcare and a roof over their heads, or healthcare and heat, or healthcare and food.
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And it has nothing to do with the insane cost of living in New York City

30 to 40 million Americans have NO health coverage whatsoever.

Pretty desperate if you ask me Jefferson.
That is an absolute LIE. Absolute LIE.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE AMERICANS WITH NO HEALTH CARE CAN WALK INTO ANY HOSPITAL EMERGENCY ROOM AND RECEIVE HEALTHCARE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR ABILITY TO PAY.

Go to any emergency room in any hospital in the United States, and there will be a big sign on the wall stating that you cannot be denied health-care if you come in.

What you have just posted is an outright, absolute lie.
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