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| Affirmative Action & Race Issues Do you feel that affirmative action should be expired, or do you feel that it should still be enforced? Defend your views on affirmative action in this forum. |
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The great, dead heart of suburbia Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,537 Country: ![]()
| Minority-Only Scholarships I'm looking at scholarship info right now, and I'd say aobut a fourth of them have being a minority as a requirement. I kind of view it as an unofficial form of affirmative action, because if there was ever a white only scholarship (actually I think the KKK gives one like that away) people would rave about racism and intolerance, while it's all fine if a good portion of scholarship money is disproportionately spent on a group representing a relatively small percentage of the population. I've found a few other types as well. Some are available to women, Irish, Italians, and other groups. All I'm saying is that if you want to strive for equality, don't base merit on race. "Every time I hear the phrase 'Christian nation' I run to my car and blast a Slayer album at full volume." - Me | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Community Leader ![]() Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ann Arbor, MI, USA Gender: ![]() Posts: 834
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When you're handing out money, I think you should be able to stipulate the recipients. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Omaha Beach Posts: 7,298
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But something tells me that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will hop on the ole racism train and do their best to create a national crisis about the latter. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The Man You Love to Hate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ketchikan, AK Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,854 Country: ![]()
| A member from Young America's Foundation tried this at his school, his group offered a whites only scholarship and holy hell was raised about it. If we wish ot continue affirmative action we need to take race out of it, let us based it instead on socioeconomic status. This would provide more benefits and opportunity to those who truly need it. dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Michigan, Near Detroit Posts: 1,028
| Ooo, there are some good comments here... Quote:
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At the same time we need to realize that handing out scholarships based on race is the wrong thing to do, and groups who decide to hand out scholarships with a race requirement are making a bad decision. The problem is exactly what Antithesis said: we can't expect racial equality if we continue to use race as a reason to treat people differently. If a group issues a scholarship available only to black children, they might be helping the single child who receives that scholarship, but they are hurting every other black person who faces inferior treatment due to his or her skin color. Introducing scholarships only for white children doesn't solve the problem. Maybe white children have equal access to scholarships, which is good, but we're still seperating people into different groups based on their race. And even if we have leveled the playing field, we still need to answer to the deserving black child who was not given a chance to win our scholarship. I understand the outcry in response to a whites-only scholarship. I do not understand the lack of outcry in response to minorities-only scholarships. Quote:
Remember: I am not advocating that we use the law to ban giving out scholarships to minority races. Each group should be free to use its money as it sees fit. But we should realize the immorality of this, and denounce the practice of granting preference based on race. -Jaxian | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle (grew up around D.C.) Gender: ![]() Posts: 7,875 Country: ![]()
| Since minorities are generally not provided the same resources as white students in this country I have no problem with either AA in general or scholarships for minorities only. I have no problem, that is, until the inequity is cured. --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Omaha Beach Posts: 7,298
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I can only assume, then, that you're not opposed to the KKK establishing their own Scholarship Fund? Hey, fair is fair. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle (grew up around D.C.) Gender: ![]() Posts: 7,875 Country: ![]()
| That is just twisted. I am not for open discrimination. I am for countering the racist circumstances our society allows minorities to exist in. --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Omaha Beach Posts: 7,298
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So... have you applied for your scholarship from the KKK yet? Because hey, if the NAACP can do it, their moral equivalent, the KKK can do it! | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The great, dead heart of suburbia Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,537 Country: ![]()
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I'm all for the socioeconomic status idea, though, just in case anyone was wondering. "Every time I hear the phrase 'Christian nation' I run to my car and blast a Slayer album at full volume." - Me | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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