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Old 08-21-2005, 09:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Army preparing for 4 more years
Top general: Army preparing for 4 more years
Troop level in Iraq would remain the same thru 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. Army is making plans to keep the current number of soldiers in Iraq -- well over 100,000 -- for four more years, the Army's top general said Saturday.

In an Associated Press interview, Gen. Peter Schoomaker said the Army is prepared for the "worst case" in terms of the required level of troops in Iraq. He said the number could be adjusted lower, if called for, by slowing troop rotation or by shortening tours for soldiers.

Schoomaker said commanders in Iraq and others will decide how many troops will be needed next year and beyond. His responsibility, he said, is to provide them, trained and equipped.

About 138,000 U.S. troops, including about 25,000 Marines, are in Iraq.

"We are now into '07-'09 in our planning," Schoomaker said, having completed work on the set of combat and support units that will be rotated into Iraq during the coming year for 12-month tours of duty.

Schoomaker's comments come amid indications from officials of President George W. Bush's administration and from commanders in Iraq that the size of the U.S. force could be scaled back next year, if certain conditions are achieved.

Among those conditions: an Iraqi constitution must be drafted in coming days; it must be approved in a national referendum; and elections must be held for a new government under that charter. (Full story)

Schoomaker, who spoke aboard an Army jet on the trip back to Washington from Kansas City, Missouri, made no predictions about the pace of political progress in Iraq. But he said he was confident the Army could continue to provide the current number of forces to fight the insurgency for many more years.

He was in Kansas City on Friday for a dinner held by the Military Order of the World Wars, a veterans organization.

"We're staying 18 months to two years ahead of ourselves" in planning which active-duty and National Guard and Reserve units will be deployed to meet the commanders' needs, Schoomaker said in the interview.

Revised troop rotations
The Army has changed the way it rotates troops.

Instead of sending a full complement of replacement forces each 12-month cycle, it is stretching out the rotation over two years.

The current rotation, for 2005-07, will overlap with the 2006-08 replacements. Beyond that, the Army is piecing together the plan for the 2007-09 switch, Schoomaker said.

With the recent deployments of National Guard brigades from Georgia and Pennsylvania, the National Guard has seven combat brigades in Iraq -- the most of the entire war -- plus thousands of support troops.

Along with the Army Reserve and Marine Reserve, the National Guard account for about 40 percent of the total U.S. forces in Iraq. Schoomaker said that will be scaled back next year to about 25 percent as newly expanded active-duty divisions, such as the 101st Airborne, enter the rotation.

August has been the deadliest month of the war for the National Guard and Reserve, with at least 42 fatalities thus far. Schoomaker disputed the suggestion by some that the Guard and Reserve units are not fully prepared for the hostile environment of Iraq.

"I'm very confident that there is no difference in the preparation" of active-duty soldiers and the reservists, who normally train one weekend a month and two weeks each summer, unless they are mobilized. Once called to active duty, they go through the same training as active-duty units.

In internal surveys some in the reserve forces have indicated to Army leaders that they think they are spending too much time in pre-deployment training, not too little, Schoomaker said.

"Consistently, what we've been (hearing) is, `We're better than you think we are, and we could do this faster,' " he said. "I can promise you that we're not taking any risk in terms of what we're doing to prepare people."

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Re: Army preparing for 4 more years
So $400 billion and 40,000 killed and injured?

People who support this war are out of their minds.

Draft?
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So $400 billion and 40,000 killed and injured?

People who support this war are out of their minds.

Draft?
Hopefully we eill get a good administration in the next election, not such an evil idiot...
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Old 08-21-2005, 12:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Do you believe the draft is a good idea or a bad idea?
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Do you believe the draft is a good idea or a bad idea?

I'm just wondering if a draft will be necessary to sustain another 4 years. My gut tells me they will try to avoid one (obviously) but it also tells me I don't think they can avoid it.
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Do you believe the draft is a good idea or a bad idea?

I'm just wondering if a draft will be necessary to sustain another 4 years. My gut tells me they will try to avoid one (obviously) but it also tells me I don't think they can avoid it.
I don't think we will really be there for 4 more years. I certainly hope not...
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Old 08-21-2005, 09:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Do you believe the draft is a good idea or a bad idea?

I'm just wondering if a draft will be necessary to sustain another 4 years. My gut tells me they will try to avoid one (obviously) but it also tells me I don't think they can avoid it.
I don't think we will really be there for 4 more years. I certainly hope not...

If we are there another 4 years do you think we can sustain Iraq without a draft?
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Do you believe the draft is a good idea or a bad idea?

I'm just wondering if a draft will be necessary to sustain another 4 years. My gut tells me they will try to avoid one (obviously) but it also tells me I don't think they can avoid it.
I don't think we will really be there for 4 more years. I certainly hope not...

If we are there another 4 years do you think we can sustain Iraq without a draft?
I think it would be possible. It's be tough, it would definately require a stop loss, and the shifting around of personnel. But I think it could be done.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:18 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I personally would not like to be drafted.
But it don't take much to get me by
So just booze me up and get me high
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