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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8
| The Endgame: Neo-Continuity... [Note: the army just announced another round of lowered expectations, planning to be in Iraq for the next 4 years. So, in honor of this occasion I thought I'd post this little tale of Fantasticalanalysis, the big Party Picture, the big Enronchilada, the big Brown Flag, the big Money Shot, the big Red State Pill. The original link is included below, I recommend it for the cool pix. fyi, there's new stuff on my blog too. - Peace, BK] http://blackkrishna.blogspot.com/200...ontinuity.html (...) No... They aren't wrong... They can't be wrong... They're too smart for that... Fighting war badly is a deliberate strategy, the longer the war goes the more people get used to it, and the more it becomes an accepted part of our culture. Halliburton and The Carlyle Group (Cheney and Bush Sr.) in particular will make record profits, as will Boeing, General Electric, Lockheed-Martin, and thousands of other companies, universities, and other institutions with ties to the military. The army is losing in Iraq, so obviously their capabilities need to be upgraded, especially if America is increasingly vulnerable to foreign threats in an unstable world. It's a simple logical response to a simple logical cycle. Many of these companies - especially the newly ultra-successful, count those with historic ties to the the CIA and the Republican party among their leaders. This means unlike ex-President Jimmy Carter, who's spent 20 years building houses for poor people, these ex-politicians are getting obscenely rich while maintaing or increasing their substantial power and influence. All of this was set up when they were out of office under Carter and Clinton, a unique cabal emerging from the revolving door of politics and the private sector hell-bent on maintaining elusive global control forever through war-corporatism. Other big fish in the food chain are profiting enormously: anti-trust laws are ignored as corporations consolidate economic empires; oil companies are making record profits off weak consumers and the war machine; and countries are conveniently re-designed into cheap labor forces for the West after they are destroyed. It's a video game: you have the biggest weapons and you built a world full of little enemies, so now you fight it out. It's fun. Make no mistake: they are not that stupid. There is a plan for post-war Iraq: it's called Iran. And there's a plan for post-war Iran: it's called Syria. (And there's plans in case these plans aren't feasable.) Their famous radical ideology is well-known, almost too well-known, it's the established critique based on a small pool of information and possibilities. It's sold as a strange "Manifest Democracy" militaristic foreign policy that you like or you don't, but it's apparently legitimate. It's biggest defenders claim the idea is to rapidly transform the middle-east and the world into a free-market democratic paradise, which does not sound like a bad goal to the majority of Western audiences. The problem is civilians managing the military: they don't play to win. They're politicians: they play to their backers. George W. Bush is the God-child of the top-rung of modern Republican leadership, and with those same Godfathers (including his own father) working for oil and defense companies or related investment banks, Bush is drafting policy that reflects their specific interests. Politicians playing to corporate backers is not new, but these particular players are far more politically ambitious than greedy. Their interests are best served by a quick period of massive profits so their corporations can gain control of the world before the rest of it can react, and that's exactly what this war is doing. If all goes well then financial and miitary control of the world will soon be in the hands of a few men, perhaps eventually even making them strong enough to challenge the ancient hierarchy of banking families. Also, many are getting old, they made a world full of weapons, and after years of little conflicts they want to see the big show: World War III. Or World War IIII, depending on how you look at the Cold War. I think that distinction just makes it easier to sell the next war anyway: WWI made WWII easier, so if we've had WWIII then why not WWIIII? (They'll just turn into SuperBowls.) Anyone callous about the impact of the war machine is logically okay with the fringe benefits of population control, just another on a list of hegemonic rewards. It's tough to run a successful business just for the money, so you have to love your job and the products you make. It's no fun making and selling weapons if you never see them used, so historically if you could politically arrange it you have wars for fun. Generals still weigh the costs, but argue individual desires within an interpretive military frame-work. The hawks always win if they know they're not going to be stopped by the civilian President, and with their legendary and yet secretive love of gadgets, strategy, and history, wars are a great place to put theories in action. Private contractors are a new wrinkle, and while they antagonize average soldiers and even some officers, for those who use them they're priceless. They are above the law, many are from Latin American death squads trained by the CIA, and there are no rules on how to use them outside of secret contracts, so for $1500 a day the U.S. taxpayer buys you one hell of a weapon. The growth of private armies is dangerous on every level: the character of the military is severly compromised, as is that of all major corporations who use them for executive security right now. Their commercial legitimization only stands to eventually provide robber-barons more protection against all enemies and even governments, but especially those who protest the idea of massively profiting off the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive warfare. Make no mistake: not all the mistakes made are mistakes. Incomptence can be faked by the best: Iraq is a mess. All you have to do is look at The Usual Suspects and ask: "Who is Kaiser Soze?" (...) "Qui bono?" "Who profits?" Peace, (NOW!!!) BK ______ ... 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| Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle (grew up around D.C.) Gender: ![]() Posts: 7,887 Country: ![]()
| Re: The Endgame: Neo-Continuity... We might as well be in the matrix right now. --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8
| Or... We may as well get out. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle (grew up around D.C.) Gender: ![]() Posts: 7,887 Country: ![]()
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I keep telling myself to wake up It is time to illuminate the nation for sure. --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 36
| "Fighting war badly is a deliberate strategy, the longer the war goes the more people get used to it, and the more it becomes an accepted part of our culture. Halliburton and The Carlyle Group (Cheney and Bush Sr.)" Axiom--Did you forget George Soros? "The army is losing in Iraq, so obviously their capabilities need to be upgraded, especially if America is increasingly vulnerable to foreign threats in an unstable world. It's a simple logical response to a simple logical cycle." Axiom--Why is morale at an all-time high with 80% of the military supporting the Presdent and reenlistments through the roof? Inquiring minds want to know. \"I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him.\"--Abraham Lincoln | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle (grew up around D.C.) Gender: ![]() Posts: 7,887 Country: ![]()
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Because they don't want to leave their brothers behind, plus the fear of having to function in the real world again. --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8
| First, I don't believe them... I really don't believe them, and in fact they have expressly said they need to deceive the public in order to do their job more effectively. It's insane, and there's a tonne of evidence that they restrict and sanitize information - a lot later disproven. For example: 5000+ soldiers are AWOL. Do they count? I've spoken to soldiers and heard them: they estimate it's about 50/50 for and against, and this with dissent is heavily discouraged in the rigid hierarchy to preserve morale. Soldiers who are against the war have to be secretive about it, and as for the army, frankly I wouldn't be surprised if they did anything to get that insane number. Or nothing. Whatever, it's a brilliant piece of propaganda to use both at home and on the soldiers in the field themselves. . Fact facts: you're playing into stats that are a sick joke, and coming from people who every time some scandal pops-up say "well we didn't find any evidence" of a Koran flushed down a toilet; all I gotta say is they "didn't find any evidence" they were torturing people either until pictures is was widely available to the public - and they haven't stopped since. The character of people telling you this is highly suspect: you really think 80% of soldiers want to be there with no "noble cause" accepted by anyone but the staunchest Bush supporters? If it's so damned noble how come no one else in the world agrees? Make no mistake: this war is a hell of a lot uglier than you think, they're doing a great propaganda job in getting people to argue for it. . | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 36
| BK--Make no mistake: this war is a hell of a lot uglier than you think, they're doing a great propaganda job in getting people to argue for it. . Really! I guess I wouldn't know, since I have only done three tours over there and am currently still serving and due to head back later this year or early the next...funny but I haven't met a single person in my 500+ man unit that would agree with either of you two. Hmmmm...so we're the parrots and not the other guys? But I truly appreciate the input...I think? \"I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him.\"--Abraham Lincoln | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8
| No disrespect man... ...but I have no idea if you've done 3 tours. All I go by is the people who make the most sense, and the soldiers I've heard and personally spoken to. They've talked about the massive propaganda you guys have faced, check into some other info and you'll get a balanced perspective. Here, this is the most compelling talk I've ever seen on the situation, it's about a year old and a tonne of the stuff he spoke of has now been widely proven elsewhere: Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh spills the secrets of the Iraq quagmire and the war on terror BERKELEY – The Iraq war is not winnable, a secret U.S. military unit has been "disappearing" people since December 2001, and America has no idea how irreparably its torture of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib prison has damaged its image in the Middle East. These were just a few of the grim pronouncements made by Pulitzer Prize–winning investigative reporter Seymour "Sy" Hersh to KQED host Michael Krasny before a Berkeley audience on Friday night (Oct. 8th). The past two years will "go down as one of the classic sort of failures" in history, said the man who has been called the "greatest muckraker of all time" and (paradoxically) the "enfant terrible of journalism for more than 30 years." While Hersh blamed the White House and the Pentagon for the Iraq quagmire and America's besmirched world image, he was stymied by how it all happened. "How could eight or nine neoconservatives come and take charge of this government?" he asked. "They overran the bureaucracy, they overran the Congress, they overran the press, and they overran the military! So you say to yourself, How fragile is this democracy?" http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/r...11_hersh.shtml | |||||||||||||||||||||
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