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Gun Control Debate and defend whether or not you believe that the second amendment protects individual rights to bear arms.

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Old 08-21-2005, 09:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The best reason to have a gun..
The best reason to have a gun is to protect yourself. When police questioned robbers who were emprisoned for breaking and entering they were asked a question. What would have stopped you? The overwhelming reply was, knowing the owner had a gun and would use it.

You can call the police, but they have got to be close enough to get to you before the person gets in. or you will have to deal with them. If they come in a house while people are in it, they do not have any problem killing them. You can be high minded about guns, but teach kids not to touch.

My grandfather kept a shot gun behind the front door for twenty years, and raised 11 children in that house. Not one of them put a finger on his shotgun, They were the ones who taught me as a child,"do not touch Granpa's gun!" When children play with guns, they have not learned respect for Parents who tell them not to touch. That is lack of respect for directions. Respect the parents who tell you NO...
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Old 08-21-2005, 09:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: The best reason to have a gun..
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The best reason to have a gun is to protect yourself. When police questioned robbers who were emprisoned for breaking and entering they were asked a question. What would have stopped you? The overwhelming reply was, knowing the owner had a gun and would use it.

You can call the police, but they have got to be close enough to get to you before the person gets in. or you will have to deal with them. If they come in a house while people are in it, they do not have any problem killing them. You can be high minded about guns, but teach kids not to touch.

My grandfather kept a shot gun behind the front door for twenty years, and raised 11 children in that house. Not one of them put a finger on his shotgun, They were the ones who taught me as a child,"do not touch Granpa's gun!" When children play with guns, they have not learned respect for Parents who tell them not to touch. That is lack of respect for directions. Respect the parents who tell you NO...


Your post does not addess, however, why violence by firearms is such a huge problem in America when compared to countries around the world.
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Old 08-23-2005, 07:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: The best reason to have a gun..
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The best reason to have a gun is to protect yourself. When police questioned robbers who were emprisoned for breaking and entering they were asked a question. What would have stopped you? The overwhelming reply was, knowing the owner had a gun and would use it.

You can call the police, but they have got to be close enough to get to you before the person gets in. or you will have to deal with them. If they come in a house while people are in it, they do not have any problem killing them. You can be high minded about guns, but teach kids not to touch.

My grandfather kept a shot gun behind the front door for twenty years, and raised 11 children in that house. Not one of them put a finger on his shotgun, They were the ones who taught me as a child,"do not touch Granpa's gun!" When children play with guns, they have not learned respect for Parents who tell them not to touch. That is lack of respect for directions. Respect the parents who tell you NO...


Your post does not addess, however, why violence by firearms is such a huge problem in America when compared to countries around the world.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No it doesn't touch on why other developed western cultures have less GUN VIOLENCE when compared to the U.S. but neither do we rank that high when compared across the board against nations similar vs. all crimes committed. Cultural differences tend to have a larger role in determining rates of crime vs. gun control.

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If we could travel through time and play "What If?" I would be willing to bet that the 8 million jews that met the gas chambers wouldn't have, had they had gun rights and owned them.
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No it doesn't touch on why other developed western cultures have less GUN VIOLENCE when compared to the U.S. but neither do we rank that high when compared across the board against nations similar vs. all crimes committed. Cultural differences tend to have a larger role in determining rates of crime vs. gun control.

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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri_cap

If we could travel through time and play "What If?" I would be willing to bet that the 8 million jews that met the gas chambers wouldn't have, had they had gun rights and owned them.
From the website you quoted: "Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence".

What piece of shit links you present.

What if Jews had guns? Then they would have been shot by the Nazi army instead of gassed.
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No it doesn't touch on why other developed western cultures have less GUN VIOLENCE when compared to the U.S. but neither do we rank that high when compared across the board against nations similar vs. all crimes committed. Cultural differences tend to have a larger role in determining rates of crime vs. gun control.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri_cap

If we could travel through time and play "What If?" I would be willing to bet that the 8 million jews that met the gas chambers wouldn't have, had they had gun rights and owned them.
From the website you quoted: "Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence".

What piece of shit links you present.

What if Jews had guns? Then they would have been shot by the Nazi army instead of gassed.
LMAO!!!! Oh god... That's hysterical....
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I don't really think that guns are harmful in themselves. I mean it does take a person to pull the trigger.
However the second amendment speaks of the RIGHT to bear arms. I think some people confuse that with the COMMAND to bear arms. Fewer guns mean fewer people dying by guns. its that simple.
a bigger gun will not keep the criminals at bay. Making sure they don't have a reason to break in is the best way to keep them out.
An ideal society needs no guns. People are not evil and if they want your stuff its cuz they aint got stuff of their own. make sure everybody has the stuff they need instead of white corporate criminals ( republican and well as democrat) and guns wont matter. If you wanna keep the rich white boys outta ur house, just burn down Banana Republic. They aint NEVER gonna mess with you again
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Hevusa [to Axiom] :: What if Jews had guns? Then they would have been shot by the Nazi army instead of gassed. ::

And tadpole of course agrees, adding a bit of ridicule as usual in hopes of obscuring the weakness of their argument.

But Axiom is right.
If I had been a Jewish person, the difference would be like night and day, between dying in a shootout with Nazis, vs. being herded with my children into a cattle car, all of us subjected to God knows what indignities, and finally the gas chamber.
Yes,
The end result would be death in either case.
But the difference would be about dying with dignity.
LOL,
Isn't it interesting how many of these same people who want to take away our right to bear arms are the same people who campaign for the right to "die with dignity"?
Just one more example of how this worldview is a few fries short of a happy meal.

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Quote:
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From the website you quoted: "Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence".

What piece of shit links you present.

What if Jews had guns? Then they would have been shot by the Nazi army instead of gassed.
Some Jews did have guns.
http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/wgupris.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobib%C3%B3r
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBy...nizacja_Bojowa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBy...C4%85zek_Walki
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