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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 02-11-2007, 02:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This movie is pretty powerful in my opinion. It sort of covers a few ideas I have about God and the world around me.

http://www.worldwidenlightenment.com/46.html
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Old 02-11-2007, 04:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well...it certainly is very inspiring. It's almost like existentialism and Buddhism wrapped into one (Karma=Law of Attraction?). I really liked it.

However, I'm not buying into this psuedo-scientific assumption of a unifying 'law of attraction'. I think it's good advice for people to visualize their goals and feel good, and those things will then occur more frequently...but it has nothing to do with a powerful invisible force (at least there is no evidence). I mean, if you start looking at the silver-lining of everything, then you're obviously going to have a more positive aspect on everything. If you visualize your goals constantly, you're going to automatically adjust yourself in the path of that goal. There's nothing magical or supernatural about it...
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Well...it certainly is very inspiring. It's almost like existentialism and Buddhism wrapped into one (Karma=Law of Attraction?). I really liked it.

However, I'm not buying into this psuedo-scientific assumption of a unifying 'law of attraction'. I think it's good advice for people to visualize their goals and feel good, and those things will then occur more frequently...but it has nothing to do with a powerful invisible force (at least there is no evidence). I mean, if you start looking at the silver-lining of everything, then you're obviously going to have a more positive aspect on everything. If you visualize your goals constantly, you're going to automatically adjust yourself in the path of that goal. There's nothing magical or supernatural about it...

Yea, thats pretty much how I feel about it.
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What struck me most profoundly, though, in that film was the idea that 'what you resist persists'. When I think about that, I think about the success of non-violent resistance. Of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. and so on. And also the failure of "anti" campaigns; war against drugs, war against terrorism, etc.

But again, I don't think it really has anything to do with some universal force. It's human nature and psychology. I think saying that the success of all of these things comes from some uncontrollable and invisible force of good, like most religions, greatly undervalues and underestimates the good and achievement of man. "The Secret Religion" is almost like pseudo-existentialism. In other words, you define yourself but it kind of takes away the point of existentialism in which is humanizing and empowering.

It also doesn't recognize, however, the success of some "anti campaigns". Such as revolutions, or the toppling of Nazi Germany or imperialist Japan.
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What consumes your thoughts controls your life.
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Well...it certainly is very inspiring. It's almost like existentialism and Buddhism wrapped into one (Karma=Law of Attraction?). I really liked it.

However, I'm not buying into this psuedo-scientific assumption of a unifying 'law of attraction'. I think it's good advice for people to visualize their goals and feel good, and those things will then occur more frequently...but it has nothing to do with a powerful invisible force (at least there is no evidence). I mean, if you start looking at the silver-lining of everything, then you're obviously going to have a more positive aspect on everything. If you visualize your goals constantly, you're going to automatically adjust yourself in the path of that goal. There's nothing magical or supernatural about it...

The movie certainly contains a lot of interesting ideas to consider (I need to watch it a few more times). Your description of a likeness to existentialism and Buddhism is well received by me. The movie is sort of like the energy behind the power of thoughts as viewed by quantum physics.

You may be right about there not being anything magical or supernatural, but that is just the point. As the movie suggests we may even BE god (as our thoughts create our reality). According to the law of attraction Christians would be attracting sin towards themselves. In America we have very high rates of abortion, crime, and violence when compared to other industrialized countries. According to the law of attraction those results would make sense.

The world is energy, thought is energy, thought is powerful. That is why I think it is so dangerous to think unfounded thoughts in regards to God and your fellow man. It may result in more negativity in the world than good.
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What consumes your thoughts controls your life.
Like sin??
If your mind didn't create/promote it there is a possibility of greatly reducing it. (according to the theory in this movie)
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This movie is pretty powerful in my opinion. It sort of covers a few ideas I have about God and the world around me.

http://www.worldwidenlightenment.com/46.html


The 'Law Of Attraction' is a powerful concept. Unfortunately, many people are not ready to understand that there are energies in the universe that interact with us.

Some are able to disembody it from the self and recognize it to some degree. Cultural understandings of good Gods and devils/evil gods reflects this. nWhat is lost in THAT message is the interconnectedness of All.
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What is lost in THAT message is the interconnectedness of All.
Very well put. I agree.
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The 'Law Of Attraction' is a powerful concept. Unfortunately, many people are not ready to understand that there are energies in the universe that interact with us.

Some are able to disembody it from the self and recognize it to some degree. Cultural understandings of good Gods and devils/evil gods reflects this. nWhat is lost in THAT message is the interconnectedness of All.
What are those "energies"?
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