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Old 09-19-2005, 02:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone with a brain knows Saddam was never a threat.
Do you have anything to back that up? A lot of people better and wiser than me (but maybe not you ) thought that he was a threat.
A threat to our econonic interests maybe. It is common knowledge that Iraq does not possess long range weapons capable of reaching North America.
That's true, and maybe I'm just being circumlocutory here, but Iraq did have missiles which could reach Israel, and start another Arab-Israeli war, thus further destabilizing the Middle East.
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Anyone with a brain knows Saddam was never a threat.
Do you have anything to back that up? A lot of people better and wiser than me (but maybe not you ) thought that he was a threat.
A threat to our econonic interests maybe. It is common knowledge that Iraq does not possess long range weapons capable of reaching North America.
That's true, and maybe I'm just being circumlocutory here, but Iraq did have missiles which could reach Israel, and start another Arab-Israeli war, thus further destabilizing the Middle East.

Sure, but we really shouldn't have anything to do with Israel either. We have enough to worry about here at home.
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Anyone with a brain knows Saddam was never a threat.
Do you have anything to back that up? A lot of people better and wiser than me (but maybe not you ) thought that he was a threat.
A threat to our econonic interests maybe. It is common knowledge that Iraq does not possess long range weapons capable of reaching North America.
That's true, and maybe I'm just being circumlocutory here, but Iraq did have missiles which could reach Israel, and start another Arab-Israeli war, thus further destabilizing the Middle East.

Sure, but we really shouldn't have anything to do with Israel either. We have enough to worry about here at home.
So you think that we should just let the Arabs and Israelis fight? At what point is it our duty to step in? Only after it becomes genocide (Rwanda, Sudan)? I also have reservations about the U.S. being the world's policeman, so I'm interested in your opinions on this subject.
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Anyone with a brain knows Saddam was never a threat.
Do you have anything to back that up? A lot of people better and wiser than me (but maybe not you ) thought that he was a threat.
A threat to our econonic interests maybe. It is common knowledge that Iraq does not possess long range weapons capable of reaching North America.
That's true, and maybe I'm just being circumlocutory here, but Iraq did have missiles which could reach Israel, and start another Arab-Israeli war, thus further destabilizing the Middle East.

Sure, but we really shouldn't have anything to do with Israel either. We have enough to worry about here at home.
So you think that we should just let the Arabs and Israelis fight? At what point is it our duty to step in? Only after it becomes genocide (Rwanda, Sudan)? I also have reservations about the U.S. being the world's policeman, so I'm interested in your opinions on this subject.

I think we should try to help with any conflict using dimplomacy. Honestly I don't think there would be a conflict in Israel today if we had not supported them both financially and militarily. I don't think we should have put our nose in their business.

In cases of genocide I think we should be involved in a united front with our allies when needed. I think our reaction to problems in Africa have been terrible and I think it is because of two reasons. 1) no economic interests 2) race.
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So you think that we should just let the Arabs and Israelis fight? At what point is it our duty to step in? Only after it becomes genocide (Rwanda, Sudan)? I also have reservations about the U.S. being the world's policeman, so I'm interested in your opinions on this subject.

I think we should try to help with any conflict using dimplomacy. Honestly I don't think there would be a conflict in Israel today if we had not supported them both financially and militarily. I don't think we should have put our nose in their business.

In cases of genocide I think we should be involved in a united front with our allies when needed. I think our reaction to problems in Africa have been terrible and I think it is because of two reasons. 1) no economic interests 2) race.
You're right. If we didn't support Israel, they would all be dead. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et. al. have basically said that they want another holocaust. I think that it would be immoral if we didn't support Israel.

I generally agree with your comments on genocide.

(if you think it's necessary, you can move these posts to a new thread, since I'm a little off topic.)
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You're right. If we didn't support Israel, they would all be dead. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et. al. have basically said that they want another holocaust. I think that it would be immoral if we didn't support Israel.
Yes, that is what I was implying about Israel. I just don't see what business we have being there. It is like we want to secure the Israelis in the holy land to bring forth the rapture.

Just remember how America was won. It was damn near genocide.
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You're right. If we didn't support Israel, they would all be dead. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et. al. have basically said that they want another holocaust. I think that it would be immoral if we didn't support Israel.
Yes, that is what I was implying about Israel. I just don't see what business we have being there. It is like we want to secure the Israelis in the holy land to bring forth the rapture.

Just remember how America was won. It was damn near genocide.
So you think it should just be survival of the fittest? I can't believe that you think it would be alright for the Arabs to kill off the Jews just for a little more land!
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You're right. If we didn't support Israel, they would all be dead. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et. al. have basically said that they want another holocaust. I think that it would be immoral if we didn't support Israel.
Yes, that is what I was implying about Israel. I just don't see what business we have being there. It is like we want to secure the Israelis in the holy land to bring forth the rapture.

Just remember how America was won. It was damn near genocide.
So you think it should just be survival of the fittest? I can't believe that you think it would be alright for the Arabs to kill off the Jews just for a little more land!

Some battles we have no right being involved with. We can take the stance that neutral countries have done in the past and allow Israeli refugees to come to America. I think doing that would send a far greater message to the world about America's strength, character, and heart.
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It was hardly genocide: only 10,623 died, only 5.3% of the total population.
http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/other/stats/warcost.htm
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