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hkbajwa
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05-18-2007, 08:21 AM
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| I'm actually very interested in knowing HOW the ID supporters intend that this "theory" should be taught in schools. Don't get me wrong, i actually wholeheartedly believe in Intelligent Design ( only i think it came about through evolution), but i don't know how you can possibly TEACH this theory without assumptions and pre-suppositions that are essentially SUBJECTIVE. How can you teach ID without teaching christianity (or whichever other religion). How can you teach ID without giving proof, references, experiments, historical texts etc etc etc? How can you teach ID without a standardized curriculum. WHO will develop this standardized curriculum (if it ever gets that far)? Lastly, will ID be a subject in which any developments can be made? Is there any research in this that is not theological? Is it a "completed" subject, or is it (Like ALL OTHER SUBJECTS) still being researched, improved, amended and adjusted to new knowledge? |
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vharlow
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05-18-2007, 08:31 AM
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| Why not just say, after discussing the intricacy, the beauty, the adaptability built into most life forms, the stunning complexity, something like "Is it possible that this was all random happenings, or perhaps Intelligently Designed?" It's not necessary to go into any further detail at all. It gives both possible causes, without CLAIMING either to be truth. Realistically, man has pondered many things through the ages, and it's right to do so. You can't teach everything, and you can't learn everything.... Many things need to be pondered, wondered about, speculated on.... Students should be given questions..... They shouldn't expect all the answers to be given to them. Thinking is mandatory, not optional. |
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Antithesis
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05-18-2007, 08:42 AM
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hkbajwa
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05-18-2007, 08:44 AM
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Young people need to and DO ask these questions. But then it is "discussed" and not "taught". This difference is important as one implies debate, and the other acquisition of knowledge. TO be given a question to answer is not TEACHING. It is discussing. Evolution, because of the vast body of scientific work done on it can be TAUGHT. ID can be discussed. In fact i think any natural science class should START with a discussion on ID. But it CAN NOT be "taught" as an alternative to evolution because it is NOT. ID is subjective, philosophical and unsubstatiated by anything other than personal belief. Therefore it should remain an active debate ( it is an important part of reaching spiritual maturity to ask these questions) but it should certainly not be presented as anything other than a possible philosophical viewpoint ( which is what it is). | |
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Antithesis
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05-18-2007, 08:49 AM
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I didn't mention it in the paper, but ID doesn't even come into conflict with evolution. Evolution addresses how life developed and ID addresses how existence originated. They're answers to two very different questions. | |
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05-18-2007, 10:19 AM
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Evolution describes HOW.. and ID explains WHY. ID can, in the view of present knowledge, only possibly explain WHY.. but if i want to know HOW life originated i prefer to look to science and reason.. And i don't understand why those who believe in ID shouldn't do the same. Evolution does not deny ID. It just denies biblical explanations to the creation of life. | |
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#7
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vharlow
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05-18-2007, 10:28 AM
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| I'm not suggesting the debate, the discussion, be done in class....good teachers ask questions so students have things to think about....lots of work is done OUTSIDE of classrooms, because you don't teach anyone anything by giving them information rather than teaching them how to gain knowledge themselves. Teaching our young WHAT to think is completely different from teaching them TO think. The former is called "indoctrination." It's unacceptable. |
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#8
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Antithesis
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05-18-2007, 11:41 AM
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| It's not indoctrination if what you're teaching is true. One wouldn't call teaching that pi is equal to approximately 3.14 "indoctrination." It's a matterof the relative likelihood that what is being taught is truth, and in the case of evolution it is significantly high. |
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#9
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05-18-2007, 02:01 PM
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| A good teacher would teach how pi is reached, and let the student find it... Evolution is clearly occuring, but that does not negate intelligent design unless you deliberately teach "evolution" and only "evolution" as a religious belief, like the global warming being caused by man is being taught practically as a religious belief. |
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