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Old 01-10-2006, 11:29 AM   #11 (permalink)
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That sort of shit is propaganda. There is absolutely no official release from any organization supporting the claims made.
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That sort of shit is propaganda. There is absolutely no official release from any organization supporting the claims made.
So quick to backup Saddam??
Old 01-10-2006, 07:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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That sort of shit is propaganda. There is absolutely no official release from any organization supporting the claims made.
So quick to backup Saddam??

Everything we have learned so far from every official organization (like the CIA) has stated to the contrary. I'm not backing Saddam, I am backing up truth.
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Old 01-10-2006, 08:24 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I bet something like this was said already, but I don't feel like reading all the posts because its getting kind of late here. So apologies if this is repeating someone.

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Well George, Good for you. Job well done.
I am Happy to say that our President has admit our pre war reports were wrong. I have much more respect for the man, having him utter that one simple admission. Very Cool. Cool
I think now we need to come up with a more detailed and usable 'National Strategy for Victory in Iraq'. I realize we won't really have just one strategy until the election count is over. I just hope it is one that can really be used.
Just felt a need to give George some credit. We certainly look a little more creditable in the eyes of the world. Very Happy
I don't give Bush any credit on this move. In fact I condemn it. The only thing I ever was grateful for was him taking some responsibility publically to the response to Hurricane Katrina; but that's a whole different story.

In this case Bush isn't admiting anything. He's mearly shifting the blame. Its classic politics that's really getting old. He's not some medieval king that will resign his position to spend the rest of his life in a monetary asking for forgiveness for his mistakes...he's a modern politician. He's not Charles V (whom actually did what I just discribed after losing his wars with the protestants and admiting defeat)...he's George Bush. He's going to point fingers, play the blame game. Even if it was entirely his fault. 'Oh it was the CIA's fault, not mine...they gave me faulty intellegence! Blame them for the disaster in Iraq!'

He doesn't confess, not only because of the fact that people would be pissed at him and his image destroyed as a result but also because he knew perfectly well the intellegence was skewed. He and his colleagues wanted to go to Iraq....utilizing the deaths of innocent Americans and foreigners on 9/11 as one of his pretexts. Its sick. Whether or not they truely believed there were WMD's in Saddam's arsenal is irrelevant; they purposively looked for 'evidence' that there might be WMD's in Iraq, so they could mislead the people and congress into going to war...an impeachable offence. Only to go into a war that will render Bush and those very colleagues as well as some commanders on the field eligible for the death penalty many times over in accordance to the War Crimes Act of 1996.

I could write a book over Iraq, but I'm only going to respond to what you said. So yeah.
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I bet something like this was said already, but I don't feel like reading all the posts because its getting kind of late here. So apologies if this is repeating someone.

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Well George, Good for you. Job well done.
I am Happy to say that our President has admit our pre war reports were wrong. I have much more respect for the man, having him utter that one simple admission. Very Cool. Cool
I think now we need to come up with a more detailed and usable 'National Strategy for Victory in Iraq'. I realize we won't really have just one strategy until the election count is over. I just hope it is one that can really be used.
Just felt a need to give George some credit. We certainly look a little more creditable in the eyes of the world. Very Happy
I don't give Bush any credit on this move. In fact I condemn it. The only thing I ever was grateful for was him taking some responsibility publically to the response to Hurricane Katrina; but that's a whole different story.

In this case Bush isn't admiting anything. He's mearly shifting the blame. Its classic politics that's really getting old. He's not some medieval king that will resign his position to spend the rest of his life in a monetary asking for forgiveness for his mistakes...he's a modern politician. He's not Charles V (whom actually did what I just discribed after losing his wars with the protestants and admiting defeat)...he's George Bush. He's going to point fingers, play the blame game. Even if it was entirely his fault. 'Oh it was the CIA's fault, not mine...they gave me faulty intellegence! Blame them for the disaster in Iraq!'

He doesn't confess, not only because of the fact that people would be pissed at him and his image destroyed as a result but also because he knew perfectly well the intellegence was skewed. He and his colleagues wanted to go to Iraq....utilizing the deaths of innocent Americans and foreigners on 9/11 as one of his pretexts. Its sick. Whether or not they truely believed there were WMD's in Saddam's arsenal is irrelevant; they purposively looked for 'evidence' that there might be WMD's in Iraq, so they could mislead the people and congress into going to war...an impeachable offence. Only to go into a war that will render Bush and those very colleagues as well as some commanders on the field eligible for the death penalty many times over in accordance to the War Crimes Act of 1996.

I could write a book over Iraq, but I'm only going to respond to what you said. So yeah.
First of all welcome to the forum Kat! Good to have another open mind.
I posted this because I had been bashing Bush pretty hard before he admitted this. I even said he should come clean on the bogus info thing so to me this was progress. I think that to be objective you must admit when your subject of scrutiny is right. This is all I was doing. Maybe a little coating of sarcasm too, but what ever, I'm not perfect. The shifting blame thing may be some what true but we still need to concede the fact that he finally admited he was wrong. I am totally against most of the policies of this administration and if you go check out some of the older threads you will get a good idea how I feel.
Again Kat, welcome. I look forward to future debate.
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Re: Bush admits Wrong Intel
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We certainly look a little more creditable in the eyes of the world.
Not much more credible considering the whole world was screaming for us not to go to war in the first place. The world already knew and I'm guessing the administration did too. They had other reasons for going to war since the story about why we were going to war kept changing in an attempt to sell it to the American people.

I think it is sad that we are building permanent military bases the size of small cities over there. If we ever "withdraw" officially we will still be there for a long time to come.
Agreed... they will be the next Germany or Japan, or Korea, Phillipines, etceteras...
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Old 01-11-2006, 12:16 PM   #17 (permalink)
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We certainly look a little more creditable in the eyes of the world.
Not much more credible considering the whole world was screaming for us not to go to war in the first place. The world already knew and I'm guessing the administration did too. They had other reasons for going to war since the story about why we were going to war kept changing in an attempt to sell it to the American people.

I think it is sad that we are building permanent military bases the size of small cities over there. If we ever "withdraw" officially we will still be there for a long time to come.
Of course, we will be there far after we are done. Just like many other places, we may pull out but we will still have military personel at those locations.
Proof that Bush has coused very long term damage, expense and responsibility. Surely invading a soverign nation without provocation is a war crime, right?
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Old 01-11-2006, 12:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Of course, we will be there far after we are done. Just like many other places, we may pull out but we will still have military personel at those locations.

Our military certainly wanted a stronghold in the area. Looks like they got it. What is next? Iran?

I really don't want to see nukes used during my lifetime.
Iran seems like the next logical move. I have it from a good source that we may be massing troops on the western edge of Iraq...
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Old 01-11-2006, 12:56 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: Bush admits Wrong Intel
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Of course, we will be there far after we are done. Just like many other places, we may pull out but we will still have military personel at those locations.

Our military certainly wanted a stronghold in the area. Looks like they got it. What is next? Iran?

I really don't want to see nukes used during my lifetime.
Iran seems like the next logical move. I have it from a good source that we may be massing troops on the western edge of Iraq...
Damn.. this is NOT good.
And you meant eastern edge right?
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Of course, we will be there far after we are done. Just like many other places, we may pull out but we will still have military personel at those locations.

Our military certainly wanted a stronghold in the area. Looks like they got it. What is next? Iran?

I really don't want to see nukes used during my lifetime.
Iran seems like the next logical move. I have it from a good source that we may be massing troops on the western edge of Iraq...
Damn.. this is NOT good.
And you meant eastern edge right?
Yeah... the one with Iran
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