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Old 12-15-2005, 09:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bush admits Wrong Intel
Well George, Good for you. Job well done.
I am Happy to say that our President has admit our pre war reports were wrong. I have much more respect for the man, having him utter that one simple admission. Very Cool.
I think now we need to come up with a more detailed and usable 'National Strategy for Victory in Iraq'. I realize we won't really have just one strategy until the election count is over. I just hope it is one that can really be used.
Just felt a need to give George some credit. We certainly look a little more creditable in the eyes of the world.
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We certainly look a little more creditable in the eyes of the world.
Not much more credible considering the whole world was screaming for us not to go to war in the first place. The world already knew and I'm guessing the administration did too. They had other reasons for going to war since the story about why we were going to war kept changing in an attempt to sell it to the American people.

I think it is sad that we are building permanent military bases the size of small cities over there. If we ever "withdraw" officially we will still be there for a long time to come.
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Old 12-15-2005, 10:35 AM   #3 (permalink)
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We certainly look a little more creditable in the eyes of the world.
Not much more credible considering the whole world was screaming for us not to go to war in the first place. The world already knew and I'm guessing the administration did too. They had other reasons for going to war since the story about why we were going to war kept changing in an attempt to sell it to the American people.

I think it is sad that we are building permanent military bases the size of small cities over there. If we ever "withdraw" officially we will still be there for a long time to come.
Of course, we will be there far after we are done. Just like many other places, we may pull out but we will still have military personel at those locations.
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Of course, we will be there far after we are done. Just like many other places, we may pull out but we will still have military personel at those locations.

Our military certainly wanted a stronghold in the area. Looks like they got it. What is next? Iran?

I really don't want to see nukes used during my lifetime.
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Of course, we will be there far after we are done. Just like many other places, we may pull out but we will still have military personel at those locations.

Our military certainly wanted a stronghold in the area. Looks like they got it. What is next? Iran?

I really don't want to see nukes used during my lifetime.
This is the same crying that was prevalent during the Reagan administration. We were on the brink of World War III and nuclear war then, and you complain about Conservatives playing the fear card. Get for real.

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Not much more credible considering the whole world was screaming for us not to go to war in the first place. The world already knew and I'm guessing the administration did too.
Nonsense. The rest of the world knew jack. The French, the Germans, and the Brits all had the same intel we did. But WMDs were not the only reason we went into Iraq. Saddam was a threat on other levels. He was a harborer and supporter of islamofascist terrorists. He violated 17 UN Resolutions. Violating even one of them is good enough to break the 1991 Cease-Fire Accord. Also, the French, the Germans, and the Russians didn't want us to go into Iraq because they were being bribed by Saddam Hussein, and they didn't want to have their money supply cut like that, and they didn't want to get caught.

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I think it is sad that we are building permanent military bases the size of small cities over there. If we ever "withdraw" officially we will still be there for a long time to come.
Yeah, but who else is going to defend our sovereignty and our liberty? Not the UN, I hope.

Iraq and Afghanistan are really no different than post-war Germany and Japan. We kept our forces there for decades for stability and to check the advance of communism. With Iraq and Afghanistan, if we are to protract this war logically, we must also wage war against Syria and Iran, or apply leverage against them in some manner to get them to change according to our desires.

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This is the same crying that was prevalent during the Reagan administration. We were on the brink of World War III and nuclear war then, and you complain about Conservatives playing the fear card. Get for real.

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It's merely that they do not recognize the enemy staring at them in the face. These Islamic fascists do not care if you're liberal or conservative...all they see is Infidel. At least hevusa admits that Iran is a threat of some kind.
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Of course, we will be there far after we are done. Just like many other places, we may pull out but we will still have military personel at those locations.

Our military certainly wanted a stronghold in the area. Looks like they got it. What is next? Iran?

I really don't want to see nukes used during my lifetime.
This is the same crying that was prevalent during the Reagan administration. We were on the brink of World War III and nuclear war then, and you complain about Conservatives playing the fear card. Get for real.

dmk

Skip over the part of the post you don't agree with then personally attack me. At least your MO is consistant.
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Old 12-18-2005, 04:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Skip over the part of the post you don't agree with then personally attack me. At least your MO is consistant.
What personal attack?? I made observation that the rhetoric today is no different than I what was heard during the 1980's when I was a teenager. I am sorry if the truth hurts, however, history does reflect your sentiment.

Time and again we have heard the cries of doom and destruction. In the 1980's with Reagan and the military build-up how we were knocking on the door of doom - what happened, the Soviet Union collapsed, no nuclear war, and now many of the former eastern bloc countries are our allies. Again during the 1980's we heard of the doom that social programs would face thanks to the tax cuts - what happened, the economy thrived, everybody's life was made better. During the 1990's and the Republican Contrace with America, we heard how children would be starving and dying in our streets because of the desire for welfare reform - what happened, welfare was reformed, the rolls reduced, no children starving, no dying in the street. So why should this rhetoric be any different???

Once again, we see those on the left crying about doom and destruction, trying to play the fear card, and you continue to have the audacity to criticize conservatives. Like I said the truth hurts, I am just calling you on your statements. Like in the past the cries have been wrong, so why should yours be any more valid?? If challenging your motives is a personal attack, well then I continue to do it. If challenging your hypocrisy is a personal attack, then expect more.

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What personal attack?? I made observation that the rhetoric today is no different than I what was heard during the 1980's when I was a teenager. I am sorry if the truth hurts, however, history does reflect your sentiment.

Time and again we have heard the cries of doom and destruction. In the 1980's with Reagan and the military build-up how we were knocking on the door of doom - what happened, the Soviet Union collapsed, no nuclear war, and now many of the former eastern bloc countries are our allies. Again during the 1980's we heard of the doom that social programs would face thanks to the tax cuts - what happened, the economy thrived, everybody's life was made better. During the 1990's and the Republican Contrace with America, we heard how children would be starving and dying in our streets because of the desire for welfare reform - what happened, welfare was reformed, the rolls reduced, no children starving, no dying in the street. So why should this rhetoric be any different???

Once again, we see those on the left crying about doom and destruction, trying to play the fear card, and you continue to have the audacity to criticize conservatives. Like I said the truth hurts, I am just calling you on your statements. Like in the past the cries have been wrong, so why should yours be any more valid?? If challenging your motives is a personal attack, well then I continue to do it. If challenging your hypocrisy is a personal attack, then expect more.

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I talk about nuclear weapons and the fact that our military will permanently be in Iraq and you respond about crying. How do I learn to be as informed as you? Powerful knowledge must lead to that kind of maturity
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