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Old 01-06-2006, 11:25 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Maybe Saddam and Iraq let on that they had WMD for years and years, even if they didn't. Fear is power. I don't think anyone can really know. We should have just left the whole situation alone. Removing Saddam and leaving would left Iraq in civil war and obviously removing Saddam and trying to install a puppet government isn't working either. War supporters scream when I say things like this, citing all of the people Saddam killed and tortured. Well, I hate to sound cold and inhumane but that does not really change anything when you look at the rest of the world and see that millions of people are being subjected to the same kind of treatment by its leaders. What about the genocide in Sudan? Already 300,000 Darfurians have been killed. The world is an ugly place and the military could never handle that workload for the entire globe. Furthermore, what gives us the right to pre-emptive war in the first place?
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Re: Democrats: Dishonest on Iraq
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LOL... I think the source discredits the media...
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LOL... I think the source discredits the media...
Admittedly, I was unable to watch the video due to my piss poor Bandwidth...
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Old 01-12-2006, 06:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Then most of Congress who agreed with him at the time should be tried as well. Don't say that most of Congress was "brainwashed" because they are then not doing their job. I think it was a good thing to remove Saddam from power considering the millions of people he has killed. Is that a threat? You bet ya! To stay in Iraq though...i'm not for that.
It wouldn't make sense for them to be tried when they made a decision based on lies and skewed information. Besides, Bush would most likely get impeached for lying to Congress, or perhaps breaking war crimes. Things Congress isn't guilty for (technically although; because I agree Congress could have protested on a number of occasions, but unfortunatly its filled with spineless Democrats and Republican yesmen). So they weren't nessissarily brainwashed, just lied to; either agreeing to whatever their "dear leader" says or afraid of being a dissident because of possible personal social repercussions (they're more interested in their image and pockets than their country and people).

Plus, yes I agree that Saddam Hussein was a brutal tyrant that has killed hundreds of thousands (not millions) of innocent people (although Bush killed many more than Saddam ever did with oppressive sanctions alone plus a careless war capaign that may have killed over one hundred thousand civilians) doesn't deserve his place in power. But that also goes with many dictators around the world which are many many times worse than Saddam himself. Plus its most definetly not the place for the United States to act in aggression toward another state (which of coarse was supposed to be banned according to the Geneva Conventions and not seen again after the horrors of WWII); let alone a defensless state that does not create a threat to its neighbors nor nations abroad.
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Then most of Congress who agreed with him at the time should be tried as well. Don't say that most of Congress was "brainwashed" because they are then not doing their job. I think it was a good thing to remove Saddam from power considering the millions of people he has killed. Is that a threat? You bet ya! To stay in Iraq though...i'm not for that.
It wouldn't make sense for them to be tried when they made a decision based on lies and skewed information. Besides, Bush would most likely get impeached for lying to Congress, or perhaps breaking war crimes. Things Congress isn't guilty for (technically although; because I agree Congress could have protested on a number of occasions, but unfortunatly its filled with spineless Democrats and Republican yesmen). So they weren't nessissarily brainwashed, just lied to; either agreeing to whatever their "dear leader" says or afraid of being a dissident because of possible personal social repercussions (they're more interested in their image and pockets than their country and people).

Plus, yes I agree that Saddam Hussein was a brutal tyrant that has killed hundreds of thousands (not millions) of innocent people (although Bush killed many more than Saddam ever did with oppressive sanctions alone plus a careless war capaign that may have killed over one hundred thousand civilians) doesn't deserve his place in power. But that also goes with many dictators around the world which are many many times worse than Saddam himself. Plus its most definetly not the place for the United States to act in aggression toward another state (which of coarse was supposed to be banned according to the Geneva Conventions and not seen again after the horrors of WWII); let alone a defensless state that does not create a threat to its neighbors nor nations abroad.
Gotta watch the video! Notice that most of the clips are from senators who are Democrats in the 90's...They believed in the same bullshit during the Clinton years.
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As soon as I saw that it was made by the Republican Party themselves, I promptly refused to waste my time with it. I don't watch things released by the Parties themselves, but rather videos by more non-partisan and independent investigators. Something that's released by the Republicans or the Democrats themselves is just partisan politics, and therefore riddled with either lies, mistruths, or disregard for very important facts just because it makes their case look bad. They're interested in power and gain. All they care about is winning elections and getting the fame. Even if it means at the cost of the truth.
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