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Old 01-11-2006, 07:29 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Sorry for the delay in my response... I have been busy and I wanted to be able to give this one some thought.

I wanted to give it some thought, though I feel it is obvious how the government makes money by keeping jails full. First off, it is well known that much of the drugs that are being sold on the street are put there by the DEA. The money made is used to support all sorts of black ops. Furthermore, there is money to be made by bail, and bonds and fines and all the other monies associated with an arrest. Plus once we get a prisoner in jail, it creates jobs for prison guards (mostly white males) and the industry that supports them. And it provides free labor for the government. In fact, most everything used by the military from uniforms to pens and clocks are made by prisoners, some of this stuff is also sold to third parties at a profit. Anything made by Skilcraft is made by a prisoner. I could go on and on...

Sit down and think about it and it all becomes very clear.
Despite all the products produced by prisoners, doesn't it seem likely that their upkeep is more than the income they provide? First you have the prison buildings themselves which must be costly to build and maintain, then all the employees required to keep the place running, plus food, consumables, etc. The fact that states are contracting private companies to build and run prisons would seem to contradict the idea that the government makes a profit on jails.
An article from http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/te...tory_9-05.html says that the cost of prisons cuts into the areas of the budget that should be used for education and other social services. It also quotes a professor from Indiana University as saying that "States have to balance their budgets, and the relative cost of prisons is quite high."
It's not that the government makes profit, but their friends and contributors will, and thus the members of the government make profit.

Buildings are expensive, yes, but they are built by the lowest bidder, and the maintenance is done by the prisoners themselves. The food and consumables are provided by the private contractors, and even in the case of the governement run prisons the costs of such supplies would be a very minimal sum, probably less that 100 million dollars. It's all a part of a scam.
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:11 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.
Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."

To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets.

If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.

And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce it.

Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.

http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-anno...2491&subj=news


More info on how all this comes together in "legalize" can be found on the Tuesday, January 10, 2006 entry of:
http://www.billstclair.com/blog/

Declan McCullagh at News.com - Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime - Bushnev signed into "law" last Thursday H.R. 3402, the "Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005" (version 6, "Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate"). Section 113 of this bill adds the following:

`(C) in the case of subparagraph (C) of subsection (a)(1), includes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet (as such term is defined in section 1104 of the Internet Tax Freedom Act (47 U.S.C. 151 note)).'.

to section (a)(1)(C) of 47 USC 223 ( http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...3----000-.html ), which creates a "crime", punishable by a fine and up to two years in prison for anyone who:

C) makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person at the called number or who receives the communications;
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Dude!
(Hopefully that comes across with the proper inflection. )

It's kind of ironic that the military members (like you) who are out there preserving our freedom are also more limited in their constitutional rights than average citizens.

I am annoyed by the military's reach in limiting free speech. I can understand it to some degree, but their complaints about your blog seem excessive to me.

On the flip side, I am amazed by the progress in the amount of capability that military members have. My partner's nephew is in the Army and currently stationed in the Middle East, but he has the capability of talking to my partner on a web-cam.
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