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08-29-2007, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe Thanks, Tristan. The article is correct. It was not known (at least around my neck of the woods) the the award had been lowered.Rightfully so, in my opinion finally the court found decent middle ground in which to settle a suit. My only point of contention is that there are unknown more frivolous suits being filed daily in courthouses across the nation. It's becoming an epidemic! | Which is why tort reform laws must be passed, to prevent these silly and frivolous lawsuits.
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08-29-2007, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe Thanks, Tristan. The article is correct. It was not known (at least around my neck of the woods) the the award had been lowered.Rightfully so, in my opinion finally the court found decent middle ground in which to settle a suit. My only point of contention is that there are unknown more frivolous suits being filed daily in courthouses across the nation. It's becoming an epidemic! | True.
Here's a couple I heard about.
Young guy up drinking in an area around San Francisco with a couple friends. Area is well posted as do not trespass, cliff, etc. Drunk idiot decides to go pee in the bushes and falls down the cliff. Sues the city for not having the area fenced.
Guy driving through the city of Downey, CA. As he is driving through an intersection, an unlicensed and uninsured driver runs the red light, plowing into him. He sues the city of Downey for allowing an uninsured driver to drive through their city.
Oh, and the classic of all times, drunk driver KILLS a young woman, then sues her parents for his pain and suffering WHILE HE IS IN PRISON FOR KILLING THEIR DAUGHTER. |
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08-29-2007, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady True.
Here's a couple I heard about.
Young guy up drinking in an area around San Francisco with a couple friends. Area is well posted as do not trespass, cliff, etc. Drunk idiot decides to go pee in the bushes and falls down the cliff. Sues the city for not having the area fenced.
Guy driving through the city of Downey, CA. As he is driving through an intersection, an unlicensed and uninsured driver runs the red light, plowing into him. He sues the city of Downey for allowing an uninsured driver to drive through their city.
Oh, and the classic of all times, drunk driver KILLS a young woman, then sues her parents for his pain and suffering WHILE HE IS IN PRISON FOR KILLING THEIR DAUGHTER. | Well, there's the need for tort reform. 
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08-29-2007, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe Fluff, your science is way off. The boiling point for liquids is 212 degrees Farenheit. | My science isn't way off - the boiling point for water (not "liquids", it depends on the liquid) is 100 degrees Celsius at sea level. I'd simply forgotten that the US uses a different temperature scale, so when people on here were referring to 50 degrees, they meant 50 US Farenheit degrees (and I have no idea what that is in Celsius).
However, having read the facts of the case that Catus and Tristan posted, I agree that it does seem that McDonald's were culpable. I'd assumed that the woman was sitting in a McDonald's cafe drinking her coffee, and spilled it.
And as a side issue, why 212 for boiling point? I'm not disputing this is the figure, but enquiring minds want to know - why? Where did it come from - anyone know?
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08-29-2007, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluffmeister My science isn't way off - the boiling point for water (not "liquids", it depends on the liquid) is 100 degrees Celsius at sea level. I'd simply forgotten that the US uses a different temperature scale, so when people on here were referring to 50 degrees, they meant 50 US Farenheit degrees (and I have no idea what that is in Celsius).
However, having read the facts of the case that Catus and Tristan posted, I agree that it does seem that McDonald's were culpable. I'd assumed that the woman was sitting in a McDonald's cafe drinking her coffee, and spilled it.
And as a side issue, why 212 for boiling point? I'm not disputing this is the figure, but enquiring minds want to know - why? Where did it come from - anyone know? | To figure Farenheit to Celsius, first you subtract 32, then multiply by 5/9.
So, 100 degrees F is 37.77 degrees C.
Lord, I still remember that from middle school. |
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08-29-2007, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady To figure Farenheit to Celsius, first you subtract 32, then multiply by 5/9.
So, 100 degrees F is 37.77 degrees C.
Lord, I still remember that from middle school. | Great job. What I remember from middle school is to never piss off the class bully. |
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08-29-2007, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by highway80west Well, there's the need for tort reform.  | Agreed. I just got off the phone with my friend and he is coming over tonight to visit. He's going to show me the claim denial letter from the auto insurer. I thought this would fall under property damage liability for insurance. Apparently, the insurer doesn't think so. |
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08-29-2007, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe Agreed. I just got off the phone with my friend and he is coming over tonight to visit. He's going to show me the claim denial letter from the auto insurer. I thought this would fall under property damage liability for insurance. Apparently, the insurer doesn't think so. | Insurance companies always deny stuff like that.
I guess the next step is to threaten them with a lawyer. Sometimes that helps.
I slipped on some ice at my mom's apartment building because of bad drainage and bad lighting. All I wanted was for them to pay my hospital bills, and they refused. I threatened to call a lawyer, next thing I knew they were asking for my hospital bills and they took care of everything. |
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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady Insurance companies always deny stuff like that.
I guess the next step is to threaten them with a lawyer. Sometimes that helps.
I slipped on some ice at my mom's apartment building because of bad drainage and bad lighting. All I wanted was for them to pay my hospital bills, and they refused. I threatened to call a lawyer, next thing I knew they were asking for my hospital bills and they took care of everything. | You had them in knots there, Knotty. 
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08-29-2007, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluffmeister And as a side issue, why 212 for boiling point? I'm not disputing this is the figure, but enquiring minds want to know - why? Where did it come from - anyone know? | The Celsius scale was actually built around water. 0 for freezing, 100 for boiling. That also set the size of a Celsius degree. Makes perfect sense, since everyone in the world has a common touch point: water. That much I remember from college.
For the Fahrenheit scale, I went to Wikipedia. Good thing I did... the details are sketchy at best. Fahrenheit is a temperature scale named after the German-Dutch physicist Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686–1736), who proposed it in 1724.
There are a few competing versions of the story of how Fahrenheit came to devise his temperature scale. One states that Fahrenheit established the zero (0 °F) and 96 °F points on his scale by recording the lowest outdoor temperatures he could measure, and his own body temperature. He took the lowest temperature which he measured in the harsh winter of 1708 through 1709 in his hometown of Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland) (−17.8 °C) as his zero point. (He was later able to reach this temperature under laboratory conditions using a mixture of ice, ammonium chloride and water.)
Fahrenheit wanted to avoid the negative temperatures that the Rømer scale had produced in everyday use. He fixed his own body temperature as 96 °F. Normal body temperature is closer to 98.6 °F, suggesting that his thermometer was inaccurate. He then divided his scale into twelve sections, and subsequently each of these into 8 equal subdivisions, producing a scale of 96 degrees. Fahrenheit noted that his scale placed the freezing point of water at 32 °F and the boiling point at 212 °F, a neat 180 degrees apart.
Another story holds that Fahrenheit established the zero of his scale (0 °F) as the temperature at which an equal mixture of ice and salt melts (some say he took that fixed mixture of ice and salt that produced the lowest temperature); and ninety-six degrees as the temperature of blood (he initially used horse blood to calibrate his scale). Initially, his scale only contained 12 equal subdivisions, but later he subdivided each division into 8 equal degrees ending up with 96.
A fourth well-known version of the story, as described in the popular physics television series The Mechanical Universe, holds that Fahrenheit simply adopted Rømer’s scale, at which water freezes at 7.5 degrees, and multiplied each value by 4 in order to eliminate the fractions and increase the granularity of the scale (giving 30 and 240 degrees). He then re-calibrated his scale between the melting point of water and normal human body temperature (which he took to be 96 degrees); the melting point of ice was adjusted to 32 degrees so that 64 intervals would separate the two, allowing him to mark degree lines on his instruments by simply bisecting the interval six times (since 64 is 2 to the sixth power).
A fifth version maintains that Fahrenheit based 0 degrees on an estimate of the temperature someone would freeze to death, and 100 degrees on the temperature someone would die of heat exhaustion from, therefore making 0 to 100 the livable range for human beings (this, however, is not feasible with current knowledge because the human body has been proven to survive at temperatures well above and below these thresholds due to its thermoregulatory capabilities).
A sixth version maintains that Fahrenheit marked the melting point of ice, normal human body temperature, and the boiling point of water. He then divided the span from melting to boiling into 180 degrees. Setting the normal human body temperature as 96 resulted in the freezing point and boiling point being 32 and 212, respectively.
His measurements were not entirely accurate; by his original scale, the actual melting and boiling points would have been noticeably different from 32 °F and 212 °F. Some time after his death, it was decided to recalibrate the scale with 32 °F and 212 °F as the exact freezing and boiling points of plain water. That change was made to easily convert from Celsius to Fahrenheit and vice versa, with a simple formula. This change also explains why the body temperature once taken as 96 °F by Fahrenheit is today taken by many as 98.6 °F (it is a direct conversion of 37 °C), although giving the value as 98 °F would be more accurate. |
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