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Old 02-03-2006, 06:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Impeachment over lying about a blowjob!?!

Talk about your waste of time and money. All started by a republican led lynch mob looking for a democrat to hang. And when combined with election fraud by cousin Bush and the gang it led to 8 years of a complete moron running this country.

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Old 02-04-2006, 06:42 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Impeachment over lying about a blowjob!?!

Talk about your waste of time and money. All started by a republican led lynch mob looking for a democrat to hang. And when combined with election fraud by cousin Bush and the gang it led to 8 years of a complete moron running this country.

God bless us, every one!
No the impeachment was over the fact that a lawyer, someone who is quote unquote trained in the law, did not answer truthfully questions while under oath. Now even little Timmy in Miracle on 34th Street knew that you shouldn't lie, especially in court, but to have lawyer deliberately lie while under oath to save himself from a sexual harassment suit. The media and the democrats convinced the public that the Clinton impeachment was about sex, it wasn't. It was about the President, a lawyer, lying while under oath. Yes he lied about sex, but the fact is he lied, denying a citizen their due process. Not only was he a liar, but he was a civil rights violator as well.

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Old 02-04-2006, 09:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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No the impeachment was over the fact that a lawyer, someone who is quote unquote trained in the law, did not answer truthfully questions while under oath. Now even little Timmy in Miracle on 34th Street knew that you shouldn't lie, especially in court, but to have lawyer deliberately lie while under oath to save himself from a sexual harassment suit. The media and the democrats convinced the public that the Clinton impeachment was about sex, it wasn't. It was about the President, a lawyer, lying while under oath. Yes he lied about sex, but the fact is he lied, denying a citizen their due process. Not only was he a liar, but he was a civil rights violator as well.
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Don't call that farce which the Republicans put on the American's door-step a "sexual harassment suit". It wasn't.
If it were, Monica or one of a list of other women would have been the "plantiffs" in the manner. There would have been a LEGAL CONCLUSION to the "suit" whereby Clinton would have been decided in favor of, or the 'victim' would have been decided in favor of with compensation.

That didn't happen here.
It was a witch-hunt. Not a law-suit.

If Clinton had told the truth after he had been sworn in, NO legal ramifications would have been seen.

This was not a "law-suit".
This was not an issue of "due process" either.

It was a political vendetta. Plain and simple.
And if there is any justice in this country, Bush will have his taste of something similar that IS ACTUALLY a "suit" for his questionably illegal actions...
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Impeachment over lying about a blowjob!?!

Talk about your waste of time and money. All started by a republican led lynch mob looking for a democrat to hang. And when combined with election fraud by cousin Bush and the gang it led to 8 years of a complete moron running this country.

God bless us, every one!
No the impeachment was over the fact that a lawyer, someone who is quote unquote trained in the law, did not answer truthfully questions while under oath. Now even little Timmy in Miracle on 34th Street knew that you shouldn't lie, especially in court, but to have lawyer deliberately lie while under oath to save himself from a sexual harassment suit. The media and the democrats convinced the public that the Clinton impeachment was about sex, it wasn't. It was about the President, a lawyer, lying while under oath. Yes he lied about sex, but the fact is he lied, denying a citizen their due process. Not only was he a liar, but he was a civil rights violator as well.

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You are putting the cart before the horse. If a republican led lynch mob had not tampered with a very private and personal issue there would not have been a need to lie in the first place.

You can say that Clinton shouldn't have done what he did in the first place but that is not the point. For all we know the Clinton's could have a personal arrangement in their marriage to allow for such behavior. IT IS NOT OUR BUSINESS and it led to a big fat waste of time and money.
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This was not a "law-suit".
This was not an issue of "due process" either.

It was a political vendetta. Plain and simple.
And if there is any justice in this country, Bush will have his taste of something similar that IS ACTUALLY a "suit" for his questionably illegal actions...

Hear hear!

So much for conservatives whinning about morality. I would take lying about a blowjob over this shit any day of the week.
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Don't call that farce which the Republicans put on the American's door-step a "sexual harassment suit". It wasn't.
If it were, Monica or one of a list of other women would have been the "plantiffs" in the manner. There would have been a LEGAL CONCLUSION to the "suit" whereby Clinton would have been decided in favor of, or the 'victim' would have been decided in favor of with compensation.

That didn't happen here.
It was a witch-hunt. Not a law-suit.

If Clinton had told the truth after he had been sworn in, NO legal ramifications would have been seen.

This was not a "law-suit".
This was not an issue of "due process" either.

It was a political vendetta. Plain and simple.
And if there is any justice in this country, Bush will have his taste of something similar that IS ACTUALLY a "suit" for his questionably illegal actions...
Oh how quickly we seem to forget about the Paula Jones v. William Jefferson Clinton lawsuit. This is where the whole matter started. It was during this deposition that the President first lied. Then to make matters worse, to save his own reputation he went national television to tell the American public that "I never had sexual relations with that women, Miss Lewinsky."

He committed perjury in one case, denying a plaintiff her due process rights. Two crimes!! Perjury and violation of a citizens civil rights. Keep trying to believe that it was a witch hunt. Unfortunately for the American public this case revolved around sex, and that clouded their judgement. But the real issue at the core of the impeachment was that the President lied while under oath. I seem to recall a Republican President once doing the same thing, and following impeachment he was forced to resign, not by the opposition, but by members of his own party. Too bad that the Democrats don't hold themselves to the same standards they hold Republicans. But cowardice is not a favorable trait anyway.

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Don't call that farce which the Republicans put on the American's door-step a "sexual harassment suit". It wasn't.
If it were, Monica or one of a list of other women would have been the "plantiffs" in the manner. There would have been a LEGAL CONCLUSION to the "suit" whereby Clinton would have been decided in favor of, or the 'victim' would have been decided in favor of with compensation.

That didn't happen here.
It was a witch-hunt. Not a law-suit.

If Clinton had told the truth after he had been sworn in, NO legal ramifications would have been seen.

This was not a "law-suit".
This was not an issue of "due process" either.

It was a political vendetta. Plain and simple.
And if there is any justice in this country, Bush will have his taste of something similar that IS ACTUALLY a "suit" for his questionably illegal actions...
Oh how quickly we seem to forget about the Paula Jones v. William Jefferson Clinton lawsuit. This is where the whole matter started. It was during this deposition that the President first lied. Then to make matters worse, to save his own reputation he went national television to tell the American public that "I never had sexual relations with that women, Miss Lewinsky."

He committed perjury in one case, denying a plaintiff her due process rights. Two crimes!! Perjury and violation of a citizens civil rights. Keep trying to believe that it was a witch hunt. Unfortunately for the American public this case revolved around sex, and that clouded their judgement. But the real issue at the core of the impeachment was that the President lied while under oath. I seem to recall a Republican President once doing the same thing, and following impeachment he was forced to resign, not by the opposition, but by members of his own party. Too bad that the Democrats don't hold themselves to the same standards they hold Republicans. But cowardice is not a favorable trait anyway.

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Jones now claims she was victimized by both Clinton and his Republican opponents. Her legal fund did not cover the attorneys' fees and Jones (who had divorced her husband during the case, purchased a house after the settlement, and incurred a large tax bill) then posed nude for Penthouse, claiming that she would use the money to pay the tax and fund her two grade-school-aged children's college education. This caused her to be publicly denounced as "trailer-park trash" by Coulter, who said, "I totally believed she was the good Christian girl she made herself out to be.... [N]ow it turns out she's a fraud, at least to the extent of pretending to be an honorable and moral person." Jones attempted to defend herself on Larry King Live, stating, "I haven't been out doing anything and trying to make a lot of money. I haven't been offered a book deal like everybody else in this huge thing has done. Ann Coulter's done books. I haven't seen her call me up and say: 'Paula, would you like for me to help you write a book, a really nice, decent book?' I haven't had any help from anybody whatsoever."

Jones subsequently appeared in a boxing match against Tonya Harding in Fox TV's Celebrity Boxing in 2002, where she lost.

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Oh how quickly we seem to forget about the Paula Jones v. William Jefferson Clinton lawsuit. This is where the whole matter started. It was during this deposition that the President first lied. Then to make matters worse, to save his own reputation he went national television to tell the American public that "I never had sexual relations with that women, Miss Lewinsky."

He committed perjury in one case, denying a plaintiff her due process rights. Two crimes!! Perjury and violation of a citizens civil rights. Keep trying to believe that it was a witch hunt. Unfortunately for the American public this case revolved around sex, and that clouded their judgement. But the real issue at the core of the impeachment was that the President lied while under oath. I seem to recall a Republican President once doing the same thing, and following impeachment he was forced to resign, not by the opposition, but by members of his own party. Too bad that the Democrats don't hold themselves to the same standards they hold Republicans. But cowardice is not a favorable trait anyway.

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Agreed. Sure the left will state that it was only sex which is none of anyones business...but lying under oath and to the public is a completely different story!
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Oh how quickly we seem to forget about the Paula Jones v. William Jefferson Clinton lawsuit. This is where the whole matter started. It was during this deposition that the President first lied. Then to make matters worse, to save his own reputation he went national television to tell the American public that "I never had sexual relations with that women, Miss Lewinsky."

He committed perjury in one case, denying a plaintiff her due process rights. Two crimes!! Perjury and violation of a citizens civil rights. Keep trying to believe that it was a witch hunt. Unfortunately for the American public this case revolved around sex, and that clouded their judgement. But the real issue at the core of the impeachment was that the President lied while under oath. I seem to recall a Republican President once doing the same thing, and following impeachment he was forced to resign, not by the opposition, but by members of his own party. Too bad that the Democrats don't hold themselves to the same standards they hold Republicans. But cowardice is not a favorable trait anyway.

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Agreed. Sure the left will state that it was only sex which is none of anyones business...but lying under oath and to the public is a completely different story!

He shouldn't have been put in the position to have to lie about his sex life. None of our business. Republican witch hunt, conspiracy... bright as day.
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He shouldn't have been put in the position to have to lie about his sex life. None of our business. Republican witch hunt, conspiracy... bright as day.
He put himself in that position by lying under oath in a sworn deposition. No one twisted his arm, he was trying to lie his way out of a sexual harassment suit. It is that simple. Had he not told the lie in the first place none of this would have happened. However, it seems that Mr Clinton has a problem keeping his pants on around women. This was known as early as the 1992 election, yet the media cared little for it. Finally, it came to full volition. One lie after another to cover up his misdeeds.

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