Defending the Truth

Nevermind that one was non-pasteurized whole milk (filled with bacteria) and the other was Skim Milk.

they were both skim. but thanks for your prejudice.


isn't that a sin or something?

First, I'm not "determined to live the longest" as you put it. I understand that life ends when it ends, but I have enough of a conscience to know that it [death] should be by a natural means.

Second, if I'm dead I won't be able to spread my influence. Not to mention, your logic is just completely flawed. Why would I put the evolution of makind in the hands of people who don't give a shit about Mother Nature?

Third, I don't take medications (at least not pharmaceuticals). Many of those pills that people pop as remedies do more harm to one's immune system than help. I eat right and take herbal suppliments, and strengthen my immune system through excersize and mediation. Yes, it works. I really only get sick when I get too stressed.

That being said, I'd very much like to die young and I really don't plan on having kids. But that could change (much to your dismay, I'm sure).

Instigator, don't waste your breath.

Good for you.

Even so, the ignorant duplicity of MOST of the environmentalists, organic food nuts, and vegans is staggering. We've seen a taste of it here on this thread.

Everyone is different, but I think I was speaking for a lot of environmentalists in my last reply. Also, you're generalizing.

I'm fully aware of the fact that I'm generalizing - hence, the use of the word "MOST".

Obviously, vegitables cut with bacteria that we consume on a regular basis anyway are giving us cancer. Obviously. Forget about higher consumptions of fried, fatty foods. Forget increased television watching. Forget higher amounts of heavy metals and arsenic in the drinking water. Forget the fact that Americans are eating more and exercising less. Nooo... It has to be GM foods.

Jesus dude, it's called correlation vs. causation.

On another note: Hey Jefferson, I'm a vegitarian. Increased consumption of meat has been linked to colon cancer in lab animals, especially red meat. Fish such as tuna carries so much mercury these days, that pregnant women are advised not to eat it. Mad cow disease developed because we were feeding our animals other animals. Antibiotic use in animals meant for consumption has been linked to increased resistence in some bacteria, especially salmonella. E-coli spreads because feces often accidentally spray on meat.

There's plenty of science behind vegitarianism.

Oh... And I'm an environmentalist to boot.

I'm fully aware of the correlations between increased consumption of meat and colo-rectal problems. And mad cow disease is spread PARTLY through the means you mentioned. But that's not the only way.

In short, I have no problems whatsoever with vegetarianism or even vegans. I just don't appreciate those who flaunt it like is some morally superior lifestyle.

But e-coli is not primarily spread because of feces accidentally sprayed on meat. There are many other ways. Believe me... our oldest son almost died of e coli poisoning when he was in 3rd grade. They finally determined that he contacted it on a school field trip during which they had been pulling rocks out of a creek.


As far as being an environmentalist... I am too. It's just that I do it with common sense - and I don't worship the environment. I burn E85. I drive the most fuel-efficient vehicles that are affordable. We waste nothing.

I hate to say this but I saw on tv, a couple of months ago, that last year there were more cases of E-coli from vegtables that seafood and meat combined. Bottom Line is: Wash Those Veggies Twice!!!!

The point is you cannot discount GM foods as a potential source that contributes to cancer because NOONE KNOWS the actual effects on humans. It may very well be safe but we need long term studies to back this up before we are turned into fucking guinea pigs.