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02-20-2006, 11:42 PM
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So you two are admitting that you believe what you read in Dubyaspeak.com?
That admission speaks VOLUMES! Thank you!
| Volumes of coarse which you have not proven to have merit. We get the point that you believe dubyaspeak.com to be a website filled with fallacies. Yet you have not given us an ounce of proof that indeed the creaters of dubyaspeak.com are just out to lie and spread hate toward the administation. Except of coarse "go to dubyaspeak.com", which is the equivilant of attempting to prove God's existence by telling people that it says so in the Bible.
We're not trying to anger you Jefferson. Its just that we're attempting to point out that your opinions are just that, opinions. We're trying to point out that while you declare your opinions as fact, they're not facts when they are not backed up with evidence. I personally haven't vistited "dubyaspeak.com" in probably over a year. And that was the only occasion. But from what I remember all the website does is record what Bush says and makes it accessable for the public to hear Bush's inarticulate comments. Ironically the only 'lies' I see coming from "dubyaspeak.com" are coming out of Bush's mouth. If they began a political commentary since I last visited then I guess I'm mistaken. | That being admitted, you have no business lecturing me about why I find the site to be a farce. It's little more than a slightly-less-serious MichaelMoore.com.
Discernment, folks. It's pretty important. | Yeah...you realize that you just replied to one sentence out of my entire post. And I'm sorry if it seems like I'm 'lecturing' you about dubyaspeak.com; because I'm not. Frankly I could give a crap about dubyaspeak.com. I just find your antagonizing, flaming, and name-calling arguements without backing to be a bit annoying.
I think I'm begining to think Jefferson here is just a troll. | Yes, yes - and all because I choose to take the "opposite side" of the typical liberal mantra.
The "facts" posted on page #1 - from Dubyaspeak.com, et al, are CRAP. Unfortunately, MANY people are dumb enough to believe them as fact. | 
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02-20-2006, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hevusa Notice the lack of any evidence to support your opinion (AGAIN).
You make all these claims yet you cannot back them up whatsoever. | The PROOF is to spend some time reading Dubyaspeak.com.
You OBVIOUSLY have not done that, or are not smart enough to see the obvious! |
How about specifics? Or do you not have time troll?
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Originally Posted by hevusa Notice the lack of any evidence to support your opinion (AGAIN).
You make all these claims yet you cannot back them up whatsoever. | The PROOF is to spend some time reading Dubyaspeak.com.
You OBVIOUSLY have not done that, or are not smart enough to see the obvious! |
How about specifics? Or do you not have time troll? | Troll? Kettle, meet pot!
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02-21-2006, 12:00 AM
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So you two are admitting that you believe what you read in Dubyaspeak.com?
That admission speaks VOLUMES! Thank you!
| Volumes of coarse which you have not proven to have merit. We get the point that you believe dubyaspeak.com to be a website filled with fallacies. Yet you have not given us an ounce of proof that indeed the creaters of dubyaspeak.com are just out to lie and spread hate toward the administation. Except of coarse "go to dubyaspeak.com", which is the equivilant of attempting to prove God's existence by telling people that it says so in the Bible.
We're not trying to anger you Jefferson. Its just that we're attempting to point out that your opinions are just that, opinions. We're trying to point out that while you declare your opinions as fact, they're not facts when they are not backed up with evidence. I personally haven't vistited "dubyaspeak.com" in probably over a year. And that was the only occasion. But from what I remember all the website does is record what Bush says and makes it accessable for the public to hear Bush's inarticulate comments. Ironically the only 'lies' I see coming from "dubyaspeak.com" are coming out of Bush's mouth. If they began a political commentary since I last visited then I guess I'm mistaken. | That being admitted, you have no business lecturing me about why I find the site to be a farce. It's little more than a slightly-less-serious MichaelMoore.com.
Discernment, folks. It's pretty important. | Yeah...you realize that you just replied to one sentence out of my entire post. And I'm sorry if it seems like I'm 'lecturing' you about dubyaspeak.com; because I'm not. Frankly I could give a crap about dubyaspeak.com. I just find your antagonizing, flaming, and name-calling arguements without backing to be a bit annoying.
I think I'm begining to think Jefferson here is just a troll. | Yes, yes - and all because I choose to take the "opposite side" of the typical liberal mantra.
The "facts" posted on page #1 - from Dubyaspeak.com, et al, are CRAP. Unfortunately, MANY people are dumb enough to believe them as fact. | No, no - NOT because you take the opposite side of liberalism. I really don't care if you're a Communist, or if you're a Nazi. I'm not complaining about your political stance, just complaining about how you claim something is to be fact when you provide no evidence to back up your claims.
I take every political and even religious stance seriously if that person is willing to debate without insult, to not flame, and to actually back his/her statements with evidence.
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky No, no - NOT because you take the opposite side of liberalism. I really don't care if you're a Communist, or if you're a Nazi. I'm not complaining about your political stance, just complaining about how you claim something is to be fact when you provide no evidence to back up your claims.
I take every political and even religious stance seriously if that person is willing to debate without insult, to not flame, and to actually back his/her statements with evidence. | What do you folks NOT understand about what I've been saying all along in this thread?
It is this: You CANNOT take as credible and objective a website like Dubyaspeak.com. You CANNOT build an argument on that, any more than you can build an argument on what you find on SwiftBoatVeterans.com.
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02-21-2006, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Jefferson You've obviously NOT spent any time reading Dubyaspeak.com
Run along and do a little reading. Then come back and, with a straight face, tell me why you believe it. | And once again, I see this RIDICULOUSLY LAME argument stance that the opponent needs to go out and find the evidence which proves YOUR point...
Unbelievable.
YOU believe "dubyaspeak" to be uncredible, and you think that you have proof?
Then PROVE IT YOURSELF.
Stop asking others to prove things which I suspect that you have done nothing more than ASSUME. | |
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02-21-2006, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jefferson What do you folks NOT understand about what I've been saying all along in this thread?
It is this: You CANNOT take as credible and objective a website like Dubyaspeak.com. You CANNOT build an argument on that, any more than you can build an argument on what you find on SwiftBoatVeterans.com.
Does that makes sense? | No. It doesn't.
"credible"? You cannot judge "credible" just based on partisanship. You just cannot do that and pretend that it's a sensible thing to do.
If such a standard were rationale, virtually NOTHING could be claimed as "credible".
"Objective"? Now something NEW is being added to the debate. I haven't read all the responses, but I don't recall anybody claiming that "dubyaspeak" was "objective". It's obviously not objective, but that doesn't make it "not credible".
The thing you don't seem to get is that web-sites like this can post RELIABLE INFORMATION. One of the web-sites previously posted WAS QUOTING AN AP STORY, but I'm guessing you didn't even notice that as you rushed to condemn the web-site... | |
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02-21-2006, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jefferson You've obviously NOT spent any time reading Dubyaspeak.com
Run along and do a little reading. Then come back and, with a straight face, tell me why you believe it. | And once again, I see this RIDICULOUSLY LAME argument stance that the opponent needs to go out and find the evidence which proves YOUR point...
Unbelievable.
YOU believe "dubyaspeak" to be uncredible, and you think that you have proof?
Then PROVE IT YOURSELF.
Stop asking others to prove things which I suspect that you have done nothing more than ASSUME. | There is nothing to prove when you WILL NOT READ THE WEBSITE I'm saying is crap.
Bye bye, troll... | |
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky No, no - NOT because you take the opposite side of liberalism. I really don't care if you're a Communist, or if you're a Nazi. I'm not complaining about your political stance, just complaining about how you claim something is to be fact when you provide no evidence to back up your claims.
I take every political and even religious stance seriously if that person is willing to debate without insult, to not flame, and to actually back his/her statements with evidence. | What do you folks NOT understand about what I've been saying all along in this thread?
It is this: You CANNOT take as credible and objective a website like Dubyaspeak.com. You CANNOT build an argument on that, any more than you can build an argument on what you find on SwiftBoatVeterans.com.
Does that makes sense? | *sigh*
Jefferson...I am perfectly aware of that. And what we are saying to you, is for you to prove ( with evidence!) that you CANNOT build an arguement on websites like dubyaspeak.com.
And "go read dubyaspeak.com" doesn't prove anything. Give us examples! Please! Inform me! I actually want to see if dubyaspeak.com is actually lying so I know not to go there! Give examples, and prove them to be fallacies. That, is what we...are trying...to get to you.
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Originally Posted by Jefferson There is nothing to prove when you WILL NOT READ THE WEBSITE I'm saying is crap.
Bye bye, troll... | Jefferson, I HAVE LOOKED AT the web-site.
I see it as VERY partial.
VERY non-objective.
But NEITHER of that means it is not credible.
And your unwillingness to show ANY ERROR on that web-site demonstrates that you are not willing to back up your own arguments.
Instead, you insist that others do work to look for what you believe will substantiate your point.
Do you not see how ridiculously lame that is?
How thoroughly unconvincing that is? | |
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