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Originally Posted by Dylan Sarge, men and women are different, just not enough to actually make a difference. That is what most feminists will tell you. How do I know? I'm a feminist. By the way, Sarge, that's called a strawman.
Biologically, there are only minor differences between men and women. Aside from the sexual organs, men have more developed spacial reasoning capabilities, while women are able to differentiate colors and sounds better. Men tend to have more developed upper body strength, but women tend to have more developed lower body strength. Men generally respond more to visual stimili in terms of arousal, women respond more to verbal stimuli in terms of arousal.
None of these things affects job preformance, or whether someone is capable of getting out of the kitchen and into the workplace. Women are, on average, just as intellegent as men. Women can be just as physically capable as men, as proven by the Israeli military, where women can be in full combat. Notice how the IDF is considered one of the best trained militaries on Earth. | Really, none of these affect job perfomance. Then explain to me why the US Army Physical Fitness Test in which all members are required to take have different standards for men and women??? Since the PT test is part of job performance should not the standards all be the same? Is that not the correct feminist response???
Furthermore, why is the requirement for fire fighters to be able to carry a 150 pound person on their shoulders waived for women??? Is that not part of the job performance, the ability to remove a person from danger in a fire??? Would not the correct feminist response be that both men and women should be required to have the same standards for the same job?? Equal pay for equal work.
These are just two examples of unequal work where equal pay is being demanded. The same could be said of the Police Force, construction workers, and a variety of other jobs. Men and women are different, and as such these differences should be recognized and corrections to the job performance should be addressed, much like the military has done with the PT test. However, the claim that men and women are equal, is a fallacy. Thus proving that facts are stupid things.
dmk | I agree with you on one of your points, actually. There should be equal standards. I would chalk those things up to sexism.
The shoulder thing makes sense, because most women have weaker backs than men. It's because of boobs, and less testosterone. Have you ever gone mountain climbing? I think that's the best demonstration of the physical difference between men and women. Women are much, much better at it, because they use their legs more. I already mentioned the difference in strenght distribution.
Thankfully, most jobs don't require mountain climbing or carrying 150 on your back.
Construction work is mostly mechanical, and rarely requires carrying 150 pounds on your back. The same goes for the police force. It's all about applying the right pressure in the right places. I've knocked over men three times my size, who could probably benchpress my entire body, if they really wanted to. I'm not a police officer, but I can only assume that since they recieve more training than I ever probably will, that they can do what I can do, but better. They take the same test that men take.
Men and woman are equal because in the modern world, strength is generally irrelevant to occupation. Most Americans work in offices. When's the last time an office worker had to lift 150 pounds over his head? Really?
Industrialization killed any claim that women and men were irreparably equal. Mechanization takes care of most problems.
That last bit was quite a non-sequitor. | 
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