intangible child

Quote:
Neocon architect says: 'Pull it down'
ALEX MASSIE IN WASHINGTON

NEOCONSERVATISM has failed the United States and needs to be replaced by a more realistic foreign policy agenda, according to one of its prime architects.

Francis Fukuyama, who wrote the best-selling book The End of History and was a member of the neoconservative project, now says that, both as a political symbol and a body of thought, it has "evolved into something I can no longer support". He says it should be discarded on to history's pile of discredited ideologies.

In an extract from his forthcoming book, America at the Crossroads, Mr Fukuyama declares that the doctrine "is now in shambles" and that its failure has demonstrated "the danger of good intentions carried to extremes".

In its narrowest form, neoconservatism advocates the use of military force, unilaterally if necessary, to replace autocratic regimes with democratic ones.

Mr Fukuyama once supported regime change in Iraq and was a signatory to a 1998 letter sent by the Project for a New American Century to the then president, Bill Clinton, urging the US to step up its efforts to remove Saddam Hussein from power. It was also signed by neoconservative intellectuals, such as Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan, and political figures Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and the current defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.

However, Mr Fukuyama now thinks the war in Iraq is the wrong sort of war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

"The most basic misjudgment was an overestimation of the threat facing the United States from radical Islamism," he argues.

"Although the new and ominous possibility of undeterrable terrorists armed with weapons of mass destruction did indeed present itself, advocates of the war wrongly conflated this with the threat presented by Iraq and with the rogue state/proliferation problem more generally."

Mr Fukuyama, one of the US's most influential public intellectuals, concludes that "it seems very unlikely that history will judge either the intervention [in Iraq] itself or the ideas animating it kindly".

Going further, he says the movements' advocates are Leninists who "believed that history can be pushed along with the right application of power and will. Leninism was a tragedy in its Bolshevik version, and it has returned as farce when practised by the United States".

Although Mr Fukuyama still supports the idea of democratic reform - complete with establishing the institutions of liberal modernity - in the Middle East, he warns that this process alone will not immediately reduce the threats and dangers the US faces. "Radical Islamism is a by-product of modernisation itself, arising from the loss of identity that accompanies the transition to a modern, pluralist society. More democracy will mean more alienation, radicalisation and - yes, unfortunately - terrorism," he says.

"By definition, outsiders can't 'impose' democracy on a country that doesn't want it; demand for democracy and reform must be domestic. Democracy promotion is therefore a long-term and opportunistic process that has to await the gradual ripening of political and economic conditions to be effective."


This article: http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=266122006


Let's be clear about what happened....

A bunch of very rich bullies had been frustrated for years about the world for two reasons:

1. Whenever a terrorist attack happened to our civilians or military abroad,
We would make a 'proportional response' instead of wiping the enemy
Out, which, the Neocons felt, was encouraging the terrorists to
Continue...and not exacting the right kind of revenge.

2. They felt that an unruly world order was getting in the way of global
Commerce, which promised much heavier wealth within their crowd...

These old boys thought their chance was handed to them on a silver platter with Bush I., but he disappointed, and they went back into their hole.

Then, they got a chance to control a president who was not a scholar, nor an intellectual...

A president who would be unusually lost in the presidency due to his disregard of study into the depth of foreign and domestic issues, and who justified his style by saying that, as an MBA in business management, he knew how to delegate tasks within a business model, and give people a sense of ownership of their positions: All management theory...

The bottom line: A puppet president...

So the Neocons ran unchecked in foreign policy, and if there were ever a chance that some of their philosophies would ever be widely accepted, like The Christian Right sadly bought hook line and sinker, there is no chance any more...

Neoconservatism has failed...just ask one of its creators.

And the Neoconservatives who put this country in our current position should all face legal jeopardy...

Their true intentions were hidden from The American People, and they should pay for that...

Jefferson

This is interesting.

I'm not so sure that very many people understand his definition of what neo-conservatism is. "Neo-Conservatism" has recently become a catch-all phrase for everything people don't like about Republicans.

intangible child

Quagmire!
September 08, 2004, 8:48 a.m.
Vietnam — Still
Fighting for the same freedoms, 30 years on.

By Paul Marshall

Since what happened in Vietnam 30 years ago is a hot topic these days, it's worth asking what's happening there now. The answer is not edifying: The Communist government is currently engaged in a massive crackdown on two overlapping bodies, its ethnic minorities and its religious believers.

Proclaiming a new era of openness, on June 18, the national assembly's standing committee passed an "ordinance regarding religious beliefs and religious organizations," due to come into effect on November 15. (Translation here.) The authorities say the ordinance will guarantee "citizens' freedom of belief and religion," and Article 1 does affirm, "The government guarantees the right of freedom of religious beliefs and of having a religion for its citizens. Nobody is permitted to violate this freedom." However, this is followed by 40 articles that gut this guarantee almost completely.
http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0409080848.asp

It will not happen!
Approximately 58,000 Americans as Cannon Fodder and 3,000,000 Vietnamese and still no change!

More failed foreign policy awaits U.S. in Iraq! 
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“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy” ---James Madison 4th U.S. president (1809 -1817), and one of the founding fathers of this country. (1751- 1836)

More dead Americans and more dead Iraqi's! Why 
OMG Saddam's got WMDs

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.---Adolf Hitler

intangible child

NEOCONSERVATISM has failed the United States and needs to be replaced by a more realistic foreign policy agenda, according to one of its prime architects.
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=266122006
So whats next? This will work!

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment.

Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, and other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Healing starts!

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer

Dylan

It seems like they are trumpeting the wrong guy.

Francis Fukuyama didn't invent neoconservatism, although he did advocate the Iraq War. Plenty of people changed their minds about that. It's not a big deal.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama

The End of History is basically a "Communist Manifesto" of Liberal Democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End...d_the_Last_Man

sgtdmski

WOW, one person who was a neoconservative has come out and said that it has failed so it should be scrapped as a philosophy. Lets see, Reagan, Nighthorse, Thurmond, Sinatra, and John Wayne were are democrats who said that the party left them.....they complained that liberalism was failing. Should we scrap it too??? I have provided 5 names to your 1. Obviously modern liberalism has failed and has been failing since the 1960's, yet 45 plus years later it is still around.....time to add it to the trashcan as well.

dmk

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Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles
-Russell Kirk-

Dylan

You know, responding to something stupid with another stupid statement really doesn't help, Sarge.

intangible child

The classic study of Reagan Democrats is probably due to the work of Stanley Greenberg. Greenberg analyzed white ethnic voters (largely unionized auto workers) in suburban Macomb County, Michigan, just north of Detroit. The county voted 63 percent for Kennedy in 1960 and 66 percent for Reagan in 1984. He concluded that Reagan Democrats no longer saw Democrats as champions of their middle class aspirations, but instead saw it as being a party working primarily for the benefit of others, especially African Americans and the very poor. In addition, Reagan Democrats were very pleased with the Reagan economic boom following the "malaise" of the Carter Administration, and agreed with Reagan's strong stance on national security issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Democrat

Nighthorse
http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts...?index=C000077

Thurmond
James Strom Thurmond (December 5, 1902 – June 26, 2003) represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 to April 1956 and November 1956 to 1964 as a Democrat and from 1964 to 2003 as a Republican. He served as Senator through his 90s, and left office at age 100, as the longest-serving senator ever.

Sinatra
http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_po...nk_Sinatra.php


Wayne (military movie hero)
http://www.jwplace.com/military.html

They fit the ranks racist and chicken hawks!
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.co...ickenhawks.htm

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As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing” ---Karl Rove

intangible child

The air-traffic controllers strike


In August 1981, Ronald Reagan took an uncompromising stand against striking air-traffic controllers who threatened to shut down the nation's airlines. The striking workers complained of growing demands and dangerous levels of stress on the job. Their issues centered on wages, retirement benefits and hours.

The president announced the striking workers were in violation of the law, and he fired them, with little apparent remorse. Organized labor was furious while the public had a more mixed reaction. Even those within his own administration had their doubts about the move.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/rea...irtraffic.html
Don't bring Reagan to the table with me!

Another F**king actor, another F**K up!
http://www.arnoldwatch.org/

sgtdmski I am trying to save your ass Sir,you should not die behind lies and hubris punks that will not fight themselves but will send you to be their pawn!
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."---Theodore Roosevelt

http://www.bushflash.com/warpig.html

intangible child

Not to down size what this thread is about do get where I stand!

Clinton and the blow job is not a problem with me! THIS IS!

Many people believe that David Koresh (or the Branch Davidians) were responsible for the deaths of the 74 men, women and children who died in the inferno at Waco on April 19, 1993. This is the story that the FBI put out. It is a lie. The guns they had were legal. The local sheriff investigated and found no basis for complaints against them. These were law-abiding American citizens, even if they thought differently to most other folks. They trusted the U.S. Constitution to ensure their political rights, but they were murdered by agents acting under the authority of the U.S. government. Read this page if you believe otherwise. If you still have doubts, get the video Rules of Engagement for visual evidence.

Waco occurred under the presidency of Bill Clinton, with Janet Reno and Wesley Clark in supporting roles. Already back in 1993 the US government demonstrated its contempt for the American people by carrying out a massacre in order to "demonstrate" (on prime time TV) its supposed "authority" (a tactic favored by fascist governments). Following the usurpation of the presidency in 2000 by the psychopath George W. Bush, and the subsequent installation of the insane John Ashcroft as Bush's Himmler, things became much worse. On 9/11 about forty times as many people were murdered as at Waco. In both cases the murderers have so far gone unpunished.

Few Americans realize that on February 28, 1993 when BATF agents in National Guard helicopters zoomed in on the Branch Davidians' church and home, Mount Carmel Center, they did so with guns blazing, like Americans raiding a Vietnamese village in that far off war. ... It is likely FBI agents deliberately sabotaged negotiations with Davidians to prevent their exiting Mount Carmel. Their goal was to destroy the building and its damaging evidence, even if that meant the massacre of dozens of men, women and children, all witnesses to the brutal attack. — Carol Moore: Overview of Davidian Massacre
http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html
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President Bush says he is keeping Americans in Iraq because it is his calling to bring freedom to the world. Freedom. If Bush decides to reinstitute the draft, he be will destroying Americans’ freedom so that he can spread freedom to Iraq, the Middle East, and beyond. Does that make sense?

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Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined. ---Patrick Henry

“When liberty becomes license, dictatorship is near” ---Will Durant