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Old 03-06-2006, 04:02 PM   #51 (permalink)
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The point is if something you learn something is possible then you can anticipate it.
No, that's NOT the point.

It is POSSIBLE that we could have a blizzard here tonight.
We do NOT ANTICIPATE having a blizzard set in tonight.


POSSIBLE and ANTICIPATED are TWO DIFFERENT WORDS WITH TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS.



Unless, of course, you're just a blind Bush-hater that's looking for a scapegoat for everything that has ever been wrong in the world.
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Old 03-06-2006, 04:23 PM   #52 (permalink)
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The point is if something you learn something is possible then you can anticipate it.
No, that's NOT the point.

It is POSSIBLE that we could have a blizzard here tonight.
We do NOT ANTICIPATE having a blizzard set in tonight.


POSSIBLE and ANTICIPATED are TWO DIFFERENT WORDS WITH TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS.



Unless, of course, you're just a blind Bush-hater that's looking for a scapegoat for everything that has ever been wrong in the world.

If it is possible that a blizzard is coming then you can anticipate the response that would be necessary.
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Old 03-06-2006, 04:53 PM   #53 (permalink)
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The point is if something you learn something is possible then you can anticipate it.
No, that's NOT the point.

It is POSSIBLE that we could have a blizzard here tonight.
We do NOT ANTICIPATE having a blizzard set in tonight.


POSSIBLE and ANTICIPATED are TWO DIFFERENT WORDS WITH TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS.



Unless, of course, you're just a blind Bush-hater that's looking for a scapegoat for everything that has ever been wrong in the world.

If it is possible that a blizzard is coming then you can anticipate the response that would be necessary.
It's March.
I live in the far north.

A blizzard is possible.

...but it's not anticipated.



Logic 101.
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Old 03-06-2006, 05:29 PM   #54 (permalink)
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The point is if something you learn something is possible then you can anticipate it.
No, that's NOT the point.

It is POSSIBLE that we could have a blizzard here tonight.
We do NOT ANTICIPATE having a blizzard set in tonight.


POSSIBLE and ANTICIPATED are TWO DIFFERENT WORDS WITH TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS.



Unless, of course, you're just a blind Bush-hater that's looking for a scapegoat for everything that has ever been wrong in the world.

If it is possible that a blizzard is coming then you can anticipate the response that would be necessary.
It's March.
I live in the far north.

A blizzard is possible.

...but it's not anticipated.



Logic 101.

If a blizzard was possible, say over the weekend, then an appropriate response could be anticipated.



Bottom line: Bush lied, people died (again!)
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Old 03-06-2006, 05:37 PM   #55 (permalink)
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If a blizzard was possible, say over the weekend, then an appropriate response could be anticipated.



Bottom line: Bush lied, people died (again!)
Bottom line: Hysterics by Blind Bush Haters.
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Old 03-06-2006, 06:04 PM   #56 (permalink)
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If a blizzard was possible, say over the weekend, then an appropriate response could be anticipated.



Bottom line: Bush lied, people died (again!)
Bottom line: Hysterics by Blind Bush Haters.

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Old 03-06-2006, 09:15 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Only a goober with an agenda would believe that POSSIBLE and ANTICIPATED mean the same thing.
And only an idiot would think that I was saying "POSSIBLE and ANTICIPATED mean the same thing" when I explicitly said I WAS NOT saying they meant the same thing.

Do you believe I was saying they mean the same thing?

Or are you just obfuscating the issue because you can't admit the obvious?


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POSSIBLE and ANTICIPATED are TWO DIFFERENT WORDS WITH TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS.
Yes. They ARE two different words.
possible: being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization b : being what may be done or may occur according to nature, custom, or manners
anticipate: to give advance thought, discussion, or treatment to

If John thinks that it is impossible to cross-breed his great dane and his chihuahua, and his two dogs actually do have puppies together, he obviously didn't "anticipate" it.
But if John DID think that it was possible for the two dogs to cross-breed, and discussed the possibility with a neighbor before-hand, then he obviously DOES anticipate it.

The two words have different meanings, but they ARE RELATED...


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It's March.
I live in the far north.
A blizzard is possible.
...but it's not anticipated.

Logic 101.
Try using the ACTUAL DEFINITION of anticipation in your actual usage of the word...

anticipate: to give advance thought, discussion, or treatment to
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/anticipate

Your denial of the DICTIONARY is getting truly boring...
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Old 03-06-2006, 09:41 PM   #58 (permalink)
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I bet that this has already been said before, but I would like to address something to Jefferson.

It doesn't matter how you get into all of the very small and actually insigificant details to a point to where you're actually debating the meaning of the words used in the story. Bush was warned in advance of an approaching hurricane. If this doesn't spell out disaster, than I don't know what does.

If your advisors tell you that a hurricane of historical strength is heading toward the shoars of the United States, I think its safe to assume that one will anticipate significant damage being done. The fact that you are attempting to argue Bush wasn't anticipating it, would make him look even more dumb and guilty than if he actually did anticipate it.

Someone tells him that a momumentous hurricane is headed for New Orleans, and that the breach in the weak levees (which had already been debated about reforming them in the past) is possible, it only takes someone with a grade-school education to anticipate significant damage being done to the city. People had been calling out for the reforming of the levees years before the Katrina hurricane; people had been warning of a very likely event of what actually happened with Katrina. Don't you think it would have been wise to heed these warnings?
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Old 03-06-2006, 11:22 PM   #59 (permalink)
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I bet that this has already been said before, but I would like to address something to Jefferson.

It doesn't matter how you get into all of the very small and actually insigificant details to a point to where you're actually debating the meaning of the words used in the story. Bush was warned in advance of an approaching hurricane. If this doesn't spell out disaster, than I don't know what does.

If your advisors tell you that a hurricane of historical strength is heading toward the shoars of the United States, I think its safe to assume that one will anticipate significant damage being done. The fact that you are attempting to argue Bush wasn't anticipating it, would make him look even more dumb and guilty than if he actually did anticipate it.

Someone tells him that a momumentous hurricane is headed for New Orleans, and that the breach in the weak levees (which had already been debated about reforming them in the past) is possible, it only takes someone with a grade-school education to anticipate significant damage being done to the city. People had been calling out for the reforming of the levees years before the Katrina hurricane; people had been warning of a very likely event of what actually happened with Katrina. Don't you think it would have been wise to heed these warnings?
In your relentless attempts to scapegoat President Bush for everything that is wrong in the world, you are BLINDLY missing the main point.

Let's assume - as you Bush-haters INSIST - that Bush KNEW, without question, that the levees WOULD BE BREACHED. And he KNEW this on August 29th.

That is ONE DAY - less than 24 hours - before landfall.

What, exactly, was George Bush supposed to have personally done AT THAT POINT?


The ONLY thing to have done was EVACUATE. Bush was supposed to, somehow, get FEMA into New Orleans and evacuate everybody before landfall? It's funny that you expect Bush to have done what you claim Nagin could NOT do...



You guys make this far too easy.
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What, exactly, was George Bush supposed to have personally done AT THAT POINT?


The ONLY thing to have done was EVACUATE.

No, that is not the only thing he could have done. He should have made sure that help was only hours away after the storm passed... not a week away.
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