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Minority Sexual Orientation - the desire of a few to have sexual relations with a few. So tell me, should we now legalize rape, bigamy, polgamy and pedophilia? Those are the only sexual orientations that our party seeks to punish. Do not confuse puinishing with the denying or recognition, they are two different things.

Majority religion. The Republican party does not belong to one religion, however, we do and will continue to support religion over no religion.

Which increase in censorship have we supported. I recall no efforts by anyone to deny someone their speech. If holding someone accountable for what they say is censorship, well, that is really stretching it don't you think.

The war on drugs was started to stem the tide of the destruction caused by the use of drugs. Crime, prostitution, and poverty. Like it or not, this things lead to the further decline of a society. We have seen the effects on inner city neighborhoods where drugs ran rampant. Today they remain eyesores, where the law-abiding citizens live in fear, because the criminals control the streets.

And just what freedoms have been denied today. Time and again people talk about the denying of civil liberties, and time and again they can show none that have been denied.

You may question whether or not we have brought freedom to Iraq, but the simple fact remains that today in Iraq, athletes who lose sporting matches are not being tortured, those who speak against the government are not being jailed, tortured, or killed. There may be violence in Iraq, however, the violence stems not from the democracy that is trying to be grown, but rather from the terrorist who wish to see Iraq as a theocracy governed by the 4th Century tenets of Islam. A country where religious freedom is denied, a country where woman are subservient to men, where they must cover their faces, not look a man in the eyes, not leave the house without a man, and not speak to a man unless the man first speaks to them.

Peace through strength still means the same today as it did when Ronald Reagan first began use of the term. We will not sacrifice our freedom by allowing our military to decline. We will use force when necessary to secure the liberty we have always had. In the case of Iraq, yes we used war. But if the use of war is wrong, then too it must have been wrong during WWII when we freed the European continent from Hitler. Or is it only wrong now? For if that is a case, what racist view of opposing oppression you have.

The speaker in the speech only address four issue mainly because of time constraints. As he has said, the calendar has been issued with 365 days and 365 events, but even a single year, and 365 days are not enough time to list the achievements the party has stood and accomplished. Unlike the democrats, we can and remain proud of our past. Unfortunately the same can not be said of them, for if they are proud of their past that means that they are proud of slavery, Jim Crow, and the many other sins that we are so quick to turn a blind eye towards, to embrace their anti-War, anti-Bush mantra of today.

dmk

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Dylan

Really? Then who the hell is the majority in the congress, and what is our president?

hkbajwa

Denying gay couples the right to call their union a marriage is governmental interference with people's personal value system. It is denying these people the right to be who they believe they are.
perhaps that is the official stance. But you are not gonna get far in the U.Ss if you are a conservative muslim. You better be a W.A.S.P. or else.
What FOX does is censorship of the truth. Every thing on FOX is told from a VERY subjective viewpoint which makes the viewer feel that if he does not agree he is going to hell. Figuaratively speaking. there is a defacto censorship as anybody not towing the republican party line is called unamerican and is subjected to a variety of abuse and slander e.g Bill O'Reilly and his ridiculous rants.
Drug use is not the cause of crime poverty and prostitution. It is a symptom just like the aforementioned of the complete and utter disregard of the rights of the common man. If people are unemployed, sick, poor and disenfranchised of COURSE they are going to resort to crime, prostituion and drug dealing to ward off povery and hunger. The war on drugs is nothing more that a surface cleaning that the republican party can present as an "achievement". It is NOTHING as it does not deal with the root cause. The root cause is that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
Patriot Act is a denial of civil liberties. Gitmo is a denial of civil liberties. Just because the nuts in Gitmo aint U.S citizens does not mean that they are not worthy of civil rights.
Iraq is not your country so don't decide for 24 million people what is best for them. Besides all these things that we know were crappy things existing in Iraq are DOUBLY enforced is Saudi Arabia. Iraq was the first middle eastern country to give women the vote. It was the most progressive in terms of womens rights of ALL middle eastern countries. Religious freedom was most cvertianly also better than saudi arabia since it seems that shias and sunnis avoided massacring each other on a regular basis. that is until the U.S. decided to come in and "liberate".
U.S ally saudi arabia is a completely male dominated dictatorial theocracy with incidents such as publics beheading, lashings and choppings. Why not invade them?
Hitlar went beyond his own borders and had done so for several years before the U.S went in . The first Gulf war was justified. Iraq invaded Kuwait. Exactly who did they invade this time? What weapons did they have? what basic tenet of freedom and democracy did Iraq violate that is not still being violated by U.S. allies in the middle east? Attacking hitler was justified because he was screwing with all of europe. you can not compare normandy to baghdad this time round.

And PLEASE dude. I think it is pretty evident from history that peace can not be FORCED. Forced peace is subjugation. Real peace is created by ensuring everybody gets their rights.
Again dude, living on past glory is sadder than having no past glory to speak of. It is completely and UTTERLY irrelevant what the GOP did in decades past. What is important is what they are doing now. Saddam was member of the Baath party which ousted a dictatorial ruler. it was a fair revolution. But wht Saddam duid afterwards was crazy and it completely nullified the fairness of the revolution. Just like the actions of the GOP NOW completely nullifies its record on civil liberties.

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sgtdmski

The government has always placed restrictions upon people's personal value system. There is not right for a rapist to rape, although that may be his preferred method of sexual gratification. Adults cannot have sex with children althought that may be their preferred method of sexual gratification. The government has always placed restrictions upon individual activities that have gone against the mainstream mores.

And that is why Colin Powell became the first African-American Secretary of State, right, what a great example of a W.A.S.P., or Condeleeza Rice the National Security Advisor and now Secretary of State, another fine example of W.A.S.P.. Not to mention Alberto Gonazalez, Linda Chavez, or private individuals like Dinesh D'Souza and Star Parker. Yeah the facts really support your claim on that one.

Once again you do not even understand what censorship means and you try to argue the point. Censorship is the suppression of published or broadcast material. Only a government can censor. Individuals who are called names or talked over can share opinions on MSNBC or CNN where they would be welcomed with open arms. FOX may have a conservative bent, however, the power to suppress someone is limited, for there are other avenues for these individuals to have their opinions heard. Only the government has the ability through the force of the law to suppress someone. Do not confuse censorship with freedom of association or even more basic choice. FOX does not have to allow anyone the right to speak on their network, they have the option and decision making ability to determine who does and does not appear.

And why is that??? It was the great idea of the progressives in this country to establish a welfare society, yet lo and behold, to qualify you could not have a job, you could not be married, and you couldn't try to better yourself. We created a system that rewarded risque behavior. Anytime someone can make more money from a welfare program than working, the system is wrong. WE created a never ending circle of governmental dependency, and when those of us who were working hard to support our families and pay are bills got tired we fought back and demanded more of our own money, and less handouts.

There are some simple facts that remain regradless of what the government tries to do to combat them, they include, if you abuse or use drugs or alcohol you are four times more likely to live in poverty, if you are a single parent household you have are more than 9 times more likely to live in poverty than a two-parent home. If you drop out of high-school you are 22 times more likely to live in poverty. All of these actions are the result of governmental programs that were created to help the poor. Welfare and public schools. Alcohol and drug use is a choice. If life too hard for you to make it, and you choose to do drugs and alcohol rather than face reality that is your choice.

So which is it, rights or liberties. We recognize that there are basic human rights that all people have naturally. Liberties are those that have been established by our Constitution for our citizens and need not always apply to all other individuals. GITMO is a detention facility that is being used to house enemy combatants and prisoners of war. Do not confuse these detainees with criminals, because they are not. The Geneva convention allows the holding of these prisoners until the end of hostilities. Since hostilies have not ended, they are still being held. It is that simple. For most there it has not even been three years that they have been detained, a far cry short of the some 7 years that some of our POWs were held in Vietnam.

We pressure our allies through other means than we do our enemies. I am sure that the women enjoyed their rights in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, including their right to be raped by Uday or Qusay, or did you conveniently forget about that right, or what about their right to be imprisoned for being married to someone opposed to Saddam, that must have slipped your mind too. It was one thing to say you support the rights of everyone to be free, and quite another to actually mean it.

Liberation from oppression and tryanny is the same all the time. Whether it be because of a rulers invasion of another country, or his abuse of power at home. Are we to only liberate those countries that have been invaded? Furthermore, seventeen UN security council resolutions were violated by Iraq, 17, this alone nullifies the cease fire of the first Gulf War end of hostitilies. So many seem to forget that part of the cease fire included compliance by Iraq of UN resolutions, well 17 were violated, that is exactly 16 more than necessary to resume hostilities.

Really, forced peace cannot work? Germany, Italy, and Japan seem like pretty good examples, but then again what's a little history to the truth.

At least the party does have past glory to be proud of having. Unlike our major opposition who have benefitted from this what have you done for me lately attitude of the current generation. What actions of the GOP have exactly done that, all you have provided was a bunch of rhetoric just like the talking heads on television. Provide details, provide specifics, just cause you say it doesn't make it so. Just because you have been told to believe it does not make it so. If the patriot act violates civil liberties, than so does RICO, not to mention every other law that stops criminal behavior, so lets just scrap them all.

Part of civil liberties is economic liberty. Republicans have fought to allow people to keep more of the money they earn rather than pay it in taxes. The democrats have talked about repealling the tax cuts and then have the nerve to lie and say that it is not a tax increase. Wake up, if you are paying 12% in taxes now, and it then goes back to the original 15% that is an increase of 3%, a tax raise.

Republicans have said let's privatize Social Security so that the people own their own retirement accounts, the democrats have fought it. The current system reverts to the government when you die unless your wife and children qualify, but once they no longer meet the requirements, the money belongs to the government.

dmk

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Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles
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intangible child

The three strikes law!


Nixon
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...gate/front.htm

Reagan
http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/history/A0825447.html

Bush 1
http://www.justview.org/depleteduranium.html

Bush 2
Too mush to list!

sgtdmski

And yet the majority in the U.S Senate is REPUBLICAN

And yet the majority in the U.S. House of Representatives is REPUBLCIAN

And yet the President of the U.S. is REPUBLICAN

33 of 50 Governors are REPUBLICAN

32 of 50 State Legislature are REPUBLICAN.

For a party that is dead, that is a lot of majorities out there. So if the Republican party is dead, then the Democratic party must be dead, cremated and buried. Once again just using your own logic against you.

dmk

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Logic is what is absent from this thread

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RidinHighSpeeds

Agreed completely.

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You are right, but i think the common thing with rapists and pedophiles is that they violate another basic right and that is the right to choose what you wish to do with your body. Homosexuality is a consensual act and as such is a choice of the individual what he/she chooses to do with their own body. So the very right the protect people from sexual assault, ALSO affords them the right to call their union a marriage. besides a federal government that does not outlaw pornography ( plenty empirical evidence to show negative effects of porn) has no right to outlaw what is a personal union between two people
i'm sorry. Just because we have a few represetatives of ethnic minorities in the government does not mean that 80 % of wealth in the states isn't concentrated in the hands of a bunch of W.A.S.Ps. ( plenty of empirical evidece on that too) Token representation is all that is.
cool i'll give you that one... But FOX has more than just a conservative bent. Its a lying spinning machine. Seriously dude. Just try and compare the ratio of news FACTS and news VALUE JUDGEMENTS on FOX. And then compare that ratio with any other western news network. Fox not only tells you the news. It also tell you how you have to feel about it ( or else you're a lousy american)
dude.. just because the U.S government has been unable to implement a proper welfare programme, does not mean that the concept of a welfare state is defunct. Scandinavia and slowly most of europe is a shining example of how welfare states can function WITHOUT burdening average joe. In fact the tax cuts for the rich that your republican party has implmented puts MORE pressure on average joe than would a properly funded and backed welfare programme.
hahahahaha.. look the vietnam war was a US war in which millions of innocent vietnamese were slaughtered. So excuse them for not returning the POWs .. but can you tell me how the detainees of GITMO are responsible for the US losing the vietnam war?
anyhow i think its crazy that on one hand the US is willing to condemn China for human rights abuses based on Amnesty International reports, but then on the other hand refuses to accept A.Is evaluation of Gitmo. If you wanna stick to your definition of gitmo inmates that's cool. But its hypocritical.
No doubt his sons were major assholes and deserve to burn in hell. But in case you forget i was comparing it to Saudi Arabia. so uday and qusay raped 1000 women. How many women in saudi arabia live without the right to travel alone, without the right to vote, without the right to drive, without the right to anything without the permission of men. And how many of them are raped mutilated, stoned and hung for being normal women who refuse to be packed up in a robe and locked in a house. In iraq they officially gave the same rights to women as to men.. and then uday and qusay exploited their father's position.. in saudi arabia women are OFFICIALLY considered less than men.
So if you are using UN resolutions as justification for invasion, then why was the invasion done without the UN?

Secondly liberation from oppression and tyranny is the job of the oppressed and tyrannised. Kuwait is led by a dictator, saudi arabia is led by a dictator, US ally Pakistan is led by a dictator and the US has a fabulous record of supporting dictatorial tyrants in south america (Noriega ring a bell?) So calling saddam a tyrant and dictator makes him the same as a host of US allies. The only difference was that he didn't take orders. But that doesn't really sound like a justification for war does it!?
What created peace in these countries was marshall aid in europe and japan's own reconstruction efforts locally. Force ended the war ( after the europeans did most of the fighting for several years).. it did not bring peace. Economic prosperity ( with US help ) brought peace. SO instead of bombing iraq continuously why doesn't the US use local companies to rebuild the place? That way Iraq can get richer rather than Halliburton making a buttload for building stuff that US forces bombed.. Seriously dude, doesn't it seem just a LITTLE unfair?
My dear friend, you must realize that there is no opposition to stopping criminal behavious. Nobodsy says that. What there is opposition to is eradication of civil liberties in the name of crime fighting. THe patriot Act does not prevent terrorism. It pisses people of MORE so MORE terrorists are created.

No problem with that. If i was a poor guy making minimum wage, i would not be able to afford medical insurance or college or any of that. If the government told me that i had to pay 40% of my minimum wage and in return i would get free medical treatment, free education and free care when i grew old i would be happy. On the other hand if i was a millionaire, i would freak out. Not because i would become poor.. rather because i wouldn't be as rich. This business of keeping more of the money you earn only really helps those who earn well enough anyways. For a poor person that means a few bucks more a month. Big deal.

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