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Level up: 8%, 34 Points needed | | The New Judicial God: Tolerance Enlightened’ but unelected justices are creating from whole cloth a ‘living breathing’ constitution shaped to their new state religion. While professing that this is the same Constitution signed by the icons of this nation’s founding, this remade constitution is not based upon on the God or the Creator of our forefathers but a new god worshiped by the elite: Tolerance—the godhead of orthodox secularism... ...Tolerance is elevated as the divine virtue above all else. Natural law, tradition, science, and common sense are no match for this new judicial god—the vision of the anointed must be imposed upon those less enlightened. And this new god does not just look down on marriage. If the citizenry of a democratic nation has no rights, can any individual rights long be sustained? See full artical at Untwisted Truth™
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Points: 13,060, Level: 74 | Level up: 75%, 190 Points needed | | Well I don't really like that post, Fx.
UT, I do not believe Tolerance is extolled as the new God of the land.
And I do believe that intolerance is no way to demonstrate the love of Christ.
Nor do I believe that the forefathers were all cut from the fundamental Christian cloth as so many Christians like to suppose.
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Originally Posted by OhDear Well I don't really like that post, Fx.
UT, I do not believe Tolerance is extolled as the new God of the land.
And I do believe that intolerance is no way to demonstrate the love of Christ.
Nor do I believe that the forefathers were all cut from the fundamental Christian cloth as so many Christians like to suppose.
OhDear | Well I do think "tolerance" is taking hold. Whether it's the new "God" might be up for debate. But since Christianity is being demonized on every turn in the name of "tolerance" you have to give some credence to the thought that the major religion of our country is being replaced by something.
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Originally Posted by fxashun Well I do think "tolerance" is taking hold. Whether it's the new "God" might be up for debate. But since Christianity is being demonized on every turn in the name of "tolerance" you have to give some credence to the thought that the major religion of our country is being replaced by something. | Fx, let me preface my words that may seem harsh about Christians with the fact that I am a Christian.
The Bible says Judgement begins in the house of God. That means that we need to get our own "act" together. And when Christians are so vocal as judging all the lifestyles in the world and so vocal to show intolerance and suspicion to those in liberal mindset or lifestyle, I believe we have done so well long before we have taken a good long hard look at what needs to be dealt with in our own "camp"...
And I do believe that tolerance goes further in being a voice for one's own beliefs. If the first thing you hear from someone or a group, is the insult of intolerance, how much are you going to be receptive to any belief system offered after that? Any way to live? Any supposed hope for eternity?
Even the Bible says that it is the KINDNESS of the Lord that leads to repentance.
How can one be kind and intolerant at the same time?
Even the Bible says that a spring can't offer both sweet and bitter waters...
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Originally Posted by OhDear Fx, let me preface my words that may seem harsh about Christians with the fact that I am a Christian.
The Bible says Judgement begins in the house of God. That means that we need to get our own "act" together. And when Christians are so vocal as judging all the lifestyles in the world and so vocal to show intolerance and suspicion to those in liberal mindset or lifestyle, I believe we have done so well long before we have taken a good long hard look at what needs to be dealt with in our own "camp"...
And I do believe that tolerance goes further in being a voice for one's own beliefs. If the first thing you hear from someone or a group, is the insult of intolerance, how much are you going to be receptive to any belief system offered after that? Any way to live? Any supposed hope for eternity?
Even the Bible says that it is the KINDNESS of the Lord that leads to repentance.
How can one be kind and intolerant at the same time?
Even the Bible says that a spring can't offer both sweet and bitter waters...
OhDear | I'm gonna preface this by stating I'm NOT a Christian.
But as I have said for a while, if the rules are there, people ought to abide by them. If the Christianity rule book says you should not have sex before marriage, then don't. If the Christianity rule book says women should do as their men say, then maybe they should. If the Christian rule book says don't eat shrimp, then don't. There is no requirement to disobey the Bible if that is what you profess to life your life by. And if you don't, I think the "repent" caveat isn't a ticket to sin and say "I'm sorry".
The slow failure of religion, and I do think it is failing, is caused by the gradual erosion of social ethics in general. For example I lost my virginity at 19 years old. I am almost certain that that's a rarity these days. I just left the grocery store with 14 year old girl walking around in pajamas with words on their ass. Women didn't do that when I was a child and I know that didn't happen a long time ago. Our society is turning to "something else" to determine what is right and wrong. And as the thread starter said, it ain't religion, science, or common sense. People have a "right" to be stupid, lewd, loud, and anything else that people used to be embarrassed to be in public. And if you look at them like they are crazy you are "intolerant".
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Originally Posted by OhDear Well I don't really like that post, Fx. UT, I do not believe Tolerance is extolled as the new God of the land. And I do believe that intolerance is no way to demonstrate the love of Christ. Nor do I believe that the forefathers were all cut from the fundamental Christian cloth as so many Christians like to suppose. OhDear |
If you check all the signatories of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, you will find that history is being rewritten: Christianity is absolutely the religion that founded this nation. Let's not forget that the states themselves used tax dollars to support Christian churches.
As to trying to split a hair by adding the adjective 'fundamental"...do you honestly want to argue that Christians of 200 years ago would be considered less than orthodox and extremely conservative by any standard of today?
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Originally Posted by fxashun Well I do think "tolerance" is taking hold. Whether it's the new "God" might be up for debate. But since Christianity is being demonized on every turn in the name of "tolerance" you have to give some credence to the thought that the major religion of our country is being replaced by something. |
Thanks, Fx. You certainly get it. And the real point is that Tolerance is very intolerant...a certain self-appointed elite get to define what tolerance is.
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Level up: 38%, 2 Points needed | | Most of our faunders were self labled Diests. It is different then fundamental Christianity. And yes, they were less orthodox then the ones today. |
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Originally Posted by waitingtables Most of our faunders were self labled Diests. It is different then fundamental Christianity. And yes, they were less orthodox then the ones today. | I think that is too broad a stroke with too narrow a point. It is accurate to say that not all signers of our founding documents were specifically Christians. But I'm not so sure when it comes to saying most were Deists--in fact,it appears that most were Christians or at least promoted Christianity for the nation.
Here is link from "Christian" perspective: viewpoint: Christianity and America
Here is one from the "Deist": Little-Known U.S. Document Proclaims America's Government is Secular - The Early America Review, Summer 1997
It is quite interesting to compare the sources/quotes to prove the opposite conclusions for exactly the same persons like Hamilton, Washington or Jefferson.
However, while the % Deists to Christians may be debatable, we also have to broaden our scope:
The first settlers were Pilgrams then the Puritans. Fundamental sects by any measurement. All of our earliest colleges, now known as the Ivy League--Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Princeton, and so on--were founded as Christian colleges. Add in the Quakers, Shakers, Mennonites etc who pretty much founded states (like PA), the Catholics in Maryland, and almost all original 13 colonies used tax dollars to build and sustain Christian churches...
And it seems fairly obvious in the overall picture that America was founded as a Christian nation. And it seems that even many of the (alleged) Deists promoted Christian principles as the bedrock of our nation even if they did not themselves identify as Christians.
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