Bush to run for a third term

Jefferson · 01-26-2007, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cw3adkins

I think that he decided to attempt to finish daddy's work from the first desert line of bull shit on every cable channel.

And I think you're full of unsubstantiated crap.

If that's what it was, he would not have waited until 2003 to invade.

Jefferson · 01-26-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cw3adkins

Following: Nothing but opinion...
Yes, World War II was a war that (in my mind) needed to happen; as the same with a few others. 1. I see this war in Iraq (if I can quote George Carlin) as a bunch of prick waving. The assault on Afganistan was needed; not only as revenge, but also to keep it from happening again. Now, I will not say that my friends have either died or put their life on the line for vien; but come on...Bush, just like so many other times, did not use his brain. 2. The roll into Iraq was not only obtusely planned, but was inacted without proper sanction. This "War on Terror" is going a bit too far (ie Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act). Not long ago, harsh words were able to be used freely (duh freedom of speech), now we have imposed or apprehention of a terroristic threat, because some dumb drunk decides to speek his mind. 3.Those words like 'I'll get you back', 'Revenge is a bitch', 'I know where you live/work', and other "steamed" words will now land a chap in jail. Needs no nevermind whether there was intent or if it was only verbal frustration. You can only take so much 'rule' bending before someone (who is almost obligated as an AMERICAN) needs to step up to the plate and go toe to toe with 'the man'. I love being an American, I love freedom as well; but there is a fine line betweem duty and greed. 4. I've seen too many kids, just out of high school, die for their country for something that I feel, could have been delt with in another fashion...or at least an attempt made.

1. There's one of your problems. Too much Carlin. You are aware, aren't you, that Carlin is a COMEDIAN?

2. First, you should learn what obtuse means. Second, you should at least attempt to read some recent history. I'll give you a heads up: Type "Resolution 1441" into Google search. Read. Learn.

3. Bullcrap. Those words, randomly ranted, will NOT land you in jail. They MIGHT, if they're clearly accompanied by malicious intent.

4. Blind editorializing. You're saying "could have been dealt with better", but you give absolutely NO examples of what could have been done better. Typical.

*Note: You're drunk, aren't you?

jaaaman · 01-26-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

Oh, I' so frightened by a guy who lives halfway across the country and threatened me with death.

Give me a break.

He ment that as a joke Antithesis...

Antithesis · 01-26-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

1. There's one of your problems. Too much Carlin. You are aware, aren't you, that Carlin is a COMEDIAN?

2. First, you should learn what obtuse means. Second, you should at least attempt to read some recent history. I'll give you a heads up: Type "Resolution 1441" into Google search. Read. Learn.

3. Bullcrap. Those words, randomly ranted, will NOT land you in jail. They MIGHT, if they're clearly accompanied by malicious intent.

4. Blind editorializing. You're saying "could have been dealt with better", but you give absolutely NO examples of what could have been done better. Typical.

*Note: You're drunk, aren't you?

1. Carlin actually makes some good points, most notably in the field of religion. He's not a final source, but don't badmouth the king of comedy.

2. That doesn't have much to do with planning. It hs to do with a U.N. resolution warning Iraq. After that we invaded and pretty much fucked te place up. Remember in the beginning of the war all that rioting and looting, and how the treasury itself was robbed? Doesn't that suggest that we couldn't secure the country? Isn't civil unrest a very common part of "liberating" a country and an immediate concern? Yes, so why didn't we deal with it? Because our plan was military, not political. This is like Hannibal's victories over Rome. We knew how to attain victory, but not how to use it.

3. You'd be surprised. Especially in the post-Columbine years, people have taken phrases like "I'll kill you" way out of context and used them in court. Nowadays I have no doubt innocent people are in prison for "suspicion" of terrorism, which is essentially hearsay.

4. Here's a better plan of action in going into Iraq. Even a moron could make this.
-Enlist U.N. support. The more friends, the better, and the less pressure on you
-Follow basic military plan from before
-Instead of bribing Baathist commanders into surrendering, force them militarily into surrender to prevent any chances of irate soldiers starting shit up
-Close the borders to anyone attempting to get in or out. Don't focus all your time and energy on insurgents in the central part of the country, because you don't need too many soldiers to deal with them
-Take major cities and put in MPs as soon as possible to quell rioting and maintain order. No "venting" until the victory parades.
-Celebrate alongside the people. Act like friends, not occupiers, and gain their trust.
-Don't wait to deal with Baathist insurgents. Find where they're congregating and take them out immediately
-While the country is still unified and happy, start to organize local military forces, enlisting the help of local militias if need be
-Get an interim government in there ASAP and schedule elections
-Fix the infrastructure, create a strong economy

Some things were done right, some wrong, but the point is that Bush's original plan was flawed in that it didn't take care of things when it needed to. Instead, he waited, and tiny cuts that were the insurgency were allowed to fester into open sores which became a civil war.

Jefferson · 01-26-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

Blah blah blah. I worship Jefferson. Blah blah blah.

It's a funny thing - this cultural climate we have.

When I was a college freshman, well over 25 years ago, I had to do a speech on gun control.

In order to "get things started off on the right foot" I decided that it'd be a great idea to carry a starter pistol into class with me, in my jacket pocket. About 1 minute into my speech, I pulled out the pistol and shot a kid in class.

Absolutely scared the CRAP out of everybody, including the professor - who ended up giving me an "A."

In the end, I walked out of class with an "A" and began quite a line of college lore. "Hey, did you hear about that guy who shot a kid in speech class? It was awesome!"

Now... what do you suppose will happen if you try to do that when YOU'RE a college freshman? I'd guess you'd be in jail wouldn't you?

Antithesis · 01-26-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

It's a funny thing - this cultural climate we have.

When I was a college freshman, well over 25 years ago, I had to do a speech on gun control.

In order to "get things started off on the right foot" I decided that it'd be a great idea to carry a starter pistol into class with me, in my jacket pocket. About 1 minute into my speech, I pulled out the pistol and shot a kid in class.

Absolutely scared the CRAP out of everybody, including the professor - who ended up giving me an "A."

In the end, I walked out of class with an "A" and began quite a line of college lore. "Hey, did you hear about that guy who shot a kid in speech class? It was awesome!"

Now... what do you suppose will happen if you try to do that when YOU'RE a college freshman? I'd guess you'd be in jail wouldn't you?

That's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. If you shot him, you'd be in jail. If you shot at him that would be different.

Case and point. A lot less is tolerated today because people take things too literally. That's good in some ways, bad in most others.

Jefferson · 01-26-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

That's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. If you shot him, you'd be in jail. If you shot at him that would be different.

Case and point. A lot less is tolerated today because people take things too literally. That's good in some ways, bad in most others.

Do you know what a STARTER PISTOL is?

I'll await your education-based apology.

Antithesis · 01-26-2007, 01:49 PM

As a matter of fact I do. It's used at sporting events to fire blanks, and even though it fires blanks, blanks are still very dangerous. At medium range blanks can cause bruising or put out an eye. At closer ranges they can have similar penetrating power as a bullet. That's how Brandon Lee died. Nobody knew how dangerous blanks could be. For that reason, many jurisdictions consider them weapons.

Wait, why are we arguing about how much blanks are dangerous? This is prob the fastest off-topic I've seen you involved in.

Jefferson · 01-26-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

As a matter of fact I do. It's used at sporting events to fire blanks, and even though it fires blanks, blanks are still very dangerous. At medium range blanks can cause bruising or put out an eye. At closer ranges they can have similar penetrating power as a bullet. That's how Brandon Lee died. Nobody knew how dangerous blanks could be. For that reason, many jurisdictions consider them weapons.

Wait, why are we arguing about how much blanks are dangerous? This is prob the fastest off-topic I've seen you involved in.

Admit it. The "on-topic" was boring, and completely out of steam.

tristanrobin · 01-26-2007, 03:13 PM

At medium range blanks can cause bruising or put out an eye. At closer ranges they can have similar penetrating power as a bullet. That's how Brandon Lee died.

Wasn't there a tv actor who died the same way a few years ago? John Erik Something-or-Other?