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Old 06-16-2008, 11:15 AM   #21 (permalink)
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There must be a reason for him being a bad president that can be put into words?
None that you would listen to.
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:18 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I have to say that what strikes me as being one of his major shortcomings as president was that he placed ideology over country. And that his lack of respect for government allowed him to place people like "Brownie" and other cronies into positions that should have been filled with someone capable of heading that department or agency. It could have even been another crony, it wouldn't matter as long as that individual was qualified and able to perform the duties of their job. He also had an apparent inability to second guess any decision that he made. Once the "decider" had decided, there was no re-evaluation as situations changed and might have warranted a change in plan. He comes off a little like a megalomaniac.
Old 06-16-2008, 11:29 AM   #23 (permalink)
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But if you think he is a real bad president you should say why after all he is on his second term. Was he great in his first term and turned bad or what? If he outsmarted congress then he is brilliant since he was dealing with a majority of former lawyers and prosecutors in the Senate and House.

There must be a reason for him being a bad president that can be put into words?
Perhaps it might be the same reason why Nixon was re-elected as president: we know we have a bad president. His opponent wasn't any better according to the voters.

Most of us lived through the Tricky Dick era.
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:58 PM   #24 (permalink)
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09/11, Iraq War, gas price hikes, and below freezing ratings.

He should have stuck with being the owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team.
The Iraq War was started by Saddam when he invaded Kuwait. Why did we care if Saddam invaded Kuwait? Because America is dependant on Mid East oil and had Saddam gained the wealth of Kuwait and the better access to the Gulf then he would be able to control all ME oil and in turn world oil prices. We don't care when one Africa nation invades another nation now do we? Why are we dependant on ME oil? Because environmental and trail lawyers own the Democratic Party like a female cat with two Tom's in her at the same time.

Gas prices are high because more people in the world are using gas. When I was stationed in Korea the only private owned cars were owned by the Mayor, police chief. Taxis, buses, trains and bicycles were the mode of transportation for 99.99999% of the population... autos were imported from Japan and there was one assembly factory that made the only Japanese brand of taxi used in the nation. This was the picture of China and India during that period also. How many many more motorized autos are there in India, China and Korea today than when Bush took office? Do the Google and you will find out that not only do Koreans now have cars they sell them in America... there are millions of new cars to fill every day in all parts of the world that never had them in the past. Is that Bush's fault. Is it Bush's fault we don't explore for domestic oil?

Yes the popularity question... Bush lied... people died... bush spies on you and I... Bush never reacted to Katrina... Bush sent the soldiers into battle without proper equipment... All spin by and caused by dovish liberals and left wing media. No lies, read my earlier post leading up to Iraq, did you call your congressman or Senator? People shut down the switchboard when Bush tried to give Illegal Mexicans amnesty... why didn't you shut down the switchboard? Why didn't the press demand congress put limits on their vote supporting Bush restarting the Iraq War? Bush hasn't removed one of your rights but instead utilized intelligence agencies to protect you from terrorists. Katrina was the largest natural disaster in several lifetimes... the Democratic Governor never released her authority allowing federalization of the area. Federal troops nor state controlled NG troops be utilized without the Governor requesting them. The Mayor of New Orleans took no action... Why did MS recover faster than LA because they had a Republican governor. Bush sent the troops into battle with the equipment that Clinton sent them into battle.

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I have to say that what strikes me as being one of his major shortcomings as president was that he placed ideology over country. And that his lack of respect for government allowed him to place people like "Brownie" and other cronies into positions that should have been filled with someone capable of heading that department or agency. It could have even been another crony, it wouldn't matter as long as that individual was qualified and able to perform the duties of their job. He also had an apparent inability to second guess any decision that he made. Once the "decider" had decided, there was no re-evaluation as situations changed and might have warranted a change in plan. He comes off a little like a megalomaniac.
You make good points! Brownie should have put pressure on the state and simply taken action and Bush should have declared martial law if the governor refused.

Much of the problems that Bush has faced are due to his loyalty to those he appointed. Rummy was a great manager of the Pentagon and the initial battle in Iraq, he was a rock star taking Baghdad as quickly as he did and then the dovish State Department directed leaving the thief's alone and releasing the police and army when an order of shoot to kill for looters should have been ordered. Stupidity simply stupidity! The terrorist and insurgency started because of a dove in the State Department running a battlefield.

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Perhaps it might be the same reason why Nixon was re-elected as president: we know we have a bad president. His opponent wasn't any better according to the voters.

Most of us lived through the Tricky Dick era.
I liked Tricky Dick, a strange personality but had he not been busted on Watergate we would have won the Vietnam War... The Vietnamese generals said so, they were losing and ready to surrender when he went into bombing of the north...
Old 06-16-2008, 01:01 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Karl Rove, is that you?
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Old 06-16-2008, 04:53 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Karl Rove, is that you?
That's cute! Can knot_e_lady come out and play? I enjoy watching Karl Rove on Fox news... he and Laura Ingram seem to think before they talk.

I know I'm a shock to the Keith Olberman fan club but I just get fed up with stupid "it's Bush's fault" for everything that has gone wrong. If I were Bush I'd get even and demand that states with flood situations now evacuate all their wards of the state and put them up in hotels with room service before they get federal assistance.

There are many, and I mean many Bush positions that I do not support but I find the media and the left influencing the press with their talking points to be spineless. No one holds them accountable including the Republicans.

The thing that bothers me most is the Iraq War and the way the Democrats and the press turned against Bush and the country. This isn't Bush's War, this is America's war. Bush doesn't have a checkbook to fund it nor the authority to continue it if congress would demand otherwise. If it were up to me I would hold impeachment of each Senator and Congressperson that voted for the war and changed their minds and use their own words as evidence. They were politically sound to support a for sure war that would send in tens of thousands of Americans, of both political parties to die terrible deaths associated with WMD's... anthrax that destroys the lungs and nerve gas that can be inhaled or absorbed through any exposed skin... imagine the seal on your gas mask being broken by your beard growing or you pull off a plastic glove in 120F heat to fire your rifle... the assholes that sent these warriors into hell changed their minds for politics and you and others eat it up like they are spoon feeding you. Would you forgive the jury of a murder trial for not finding the facts? What if they didn't even ask for DNA? They ordered the warriors into hell and then did a political spin and you and everyone reading this knows that I'm telling the truth and you can't get the brainwashing spoon fed bullshit out of your Keith Olberman fed mouths.

Bush lied and people died! Unlawful war, immoral war bullshit... bullshit... bullshit!!! Go read the jury's statements on the Senate and House floor and then listen to them talk about how they were deceived and count off the Bush fatalities and casualties... makes me want to puke!
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Well, in November I will be voting for a democrat who did not support the war and isn't responsible for what you refuse to see as an immoral war of convenience, based on assumptions by people who had never served in the military or fought in combat. They decided that the Pentagon's 10 year study of invading Iraq which was done by those who had military experience and an understanding of the people, culture and religion of that part of the world wasn't worth squat. What did the Bush administration do with that expert opinion and those painstakingly researched examples of possible scenarios? He tossed it to the side and followed his own overconfident opinion of what the outcome would be. That is another thing I see in his legacy. Overconfidence in himself and those he surrounds himself with.
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Well, in November I will be voting for a democrat who did not support the war and isn't responsible for what you refuse to see as an immoral war of convenience, based on assumptions by people who had never served in the military or fought in combat.
President Bush served in the military. Explain immoral war of convenience please. Your vote will not decide the election since a Democrat will not be elected president this November.

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They decided that the Pentagon's 10 year study of invading Iraq which was done by those who had military experience and an understanding of the people, culture and religion of that part of the world wasn't worth squat. What did the Bush administration do with that expert opinion and those painstakingly researched examples of possible scenarios? He tossed it to the side and followed his own overconfident opinion of what the outcome would be. That is another thing I see in his legacy. Overconfidence in himself and those he surrounds himself with.
I would argue the war was an absolute necessity and I have a majority of 77-23 Senators and a majority of House members 296-133 on my side of the argument. CNN.com - Senate approves Iraq war resolution - Oct. 11, 2002

Perhaps you've been away from news reports since it is apparent that Iraq will soon be a stable nation providing its own security for its citizens. I know that is heartbreaking for those praying for failure in Iraq but it will happen like it or not. Iran will either flip over showing its soft underside or its citizens will be given the same opportunity when it is overthrown.
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President Bush served in the military.
Well, Zack, with that little 'pearl of wisdom' you have proven that you are a mindless Bushite, and not really worthy of any kind of meaningful discourse.

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Old 06-17-2008, 02:13 PM   #30 (permalink)
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President Bush served in the military. .

As long as it didn't in the way of his partying he did.
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