Defending the Truth

What if he is a terrorist that slipped in through our borders and the government doesn't have a file on him, he has no record... The constitution says "persons"... that means all living "persons" inside the boundaries of our nation are protected and not just citizens. Are you saying the US should listen only to know terrorists when both parties are know terrorists?

Well that's just silly, there are situations where phone conversations between know or suspected terrorists in Pakistan and Iraq take place that pass through American communication terminals so we shouldn't listen to them... Maybe a terrorist has a liberal Democrat GI and is getting ready to cut his head off and calls Osama to see if it's OK and you say oh, protect that American constitutional right of those speaking in America... that's what Chris Dodd and Feingold, Moveon.org and the rest demand along with the guy insulting Bush...

Where do you get all of this crap about the founding fathers? Jefferson wanted to conquer Canada... they had no death wish like you seem to portray.

So you want NO conversations listened to in the US unless they are know terrorists? Do you allow customs agents to look at your panties when you travel abroad? Do you have a death wish?


Let me try to introduce some logic into the conversation... Let's say an American soldier captures a top "known" terrorist on the battlefield and that "known" terrorist has a cellphone with twenty numbers in its memory... should the government be allowed to listen to phone calls coming from any of those phone numbers on the captured phone?
Lets look at your rights... you disappear from where you live and you have a cellphone... no one saw you being kidnapped but your mom calls the police reporting you missing... should the police be able to listen in on your phone calls? Do you have a death wish?


Do you have a death wish?

For some time now, I have been saying that anyone would be better than our current (p)resident, and I believe either McCain or Obama would be a significant improvement. (I think those people calling McCain "Bush's 3rd term" are way off-base.)

Of course, I'd prefer Obama, but really, I'd just prefer not-Bush.

Only 198 days until the next president takes office, and sanity can begin to be restored.

Hang in there, America!

Sure he does. I bet you would say that about anybody elected to office who doesn't immediately grant gay marriage rights nationwide.

But the folks responding to this thread that are complaining about Bush's FISA policy while both Obama and McCain support Bush's FISA policy. They seem to be on the side of Moveon.org, Dodd and Feingold and the asshole that insulted the president.

Idiots was wrong, I should have said Bush haters.

I bet you're wrong.

I used to tell people when they got me important info that I could not find, "you're the bomb". I am afraid of saying that on the phone now, or via text messages. I have a feeling that is one of those words they pick up on.

Zack, it's really simple - we need to follow the law. Crazy terrorists aren't a valid reason to abandon our laws and principles. I'm all for listening to and capturing terrorists - just not at the expense of everything this country was built on. If terrorists can change us and cause our rights to be stripped from us, the terrorists have already won.

No. I don't give a rat's ass if we listen to terrorists. If a known terrorist is making a call, by all means, feel free to listen. Just make sure and get a warrant if it's an American citizen.

This makes no sense. Can you please clarify what you're trying to say here? Thanks.

Please stop changing the subject. Do you think Jefferson would have approved of our government defecating on the Bill of Rights because we're scared of terrorists? Would they have endorsed torture? Would they have torn up the constitution because they're in fear?

Do you know the definition of the word "inalienable," Zack?

Zack, read my words: I DON'T CARE if our government eavesdrops on terrorists.....as long as they follow the law when doing so. When we allow our government to skirt the law with impunity, we've ventured into very scary territory.

Do you touch yourself when you watch Fox news?

No, I refuse to be fearmongered. Catching terrorists isn't worth relinquishing my rights. My rights are inalienable.

I've provided plenty of logic. The fact that you disagree doesn't mean what I say isn't logical.

This scenario sounds like more than enough probable cause for a warrant to me.

The police could easily get a warrant in a situation like that, too.

Do you hate the constitution?

Based on what you have said I think you are a reasonable minded person that has no idea what the FISA legislation nor the subject of warrantless wiretaps is based on. If you look at the legislation and look at what the base is for the complaint of warrantless wiretaps you would find you also disagree with the complaint and agree with Bush against the guy that insulted him. You should read up on the base issue because all the president has ever wanted to do is listen in on terrorists phone calls no matter who they call and if it turns out they called an American citizen then he agrees that a warrant is necessary also. The base of the complaint of warrantless wiretaps is baseless and built on the concept that the government must prove probable cause against both the terrorist and the person the terrorist calls regardless where they are in the world. Never in history has America limited the government to spy on enemies as those who claim the government uses "warrantless wiretaps." If you read about the issues then you will understand why Obama changed his position that pissed off Moveon.org and others.

When someone says Bush uses warrantless wiretaps everyone leaps without knowledge of what they are talking about because the way the liberal media portrays it... they portray it falsely and if you disagree then read about the subject and find out you're wrong because you, Bush, Obama and McCain all agree and the media keeps making Bush a demon for using "warrantless wiretaps".

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