Defending the Truth

I am offering the same level of evidence for my claims as you do. Only my claims don't irrationally demonize any particular section of global society.

My rants against you and the conservative elements of america is not a defence of terrorist activities, nor is a condemnation of all things american.

My contention has consistently been that your reaction to the terrorist threat is terrorism. Except you call it a glorious war, not terrorism. Tomayto, Tomaato. whatever man.

That aside, the link you have posted offers no support of anything. No empirical evidence other than financial and logistical support for terrorist cells. I'll deal with that in a sec. It is clearly a massively biased site created with the purpose of demonizing saddam.

Saddam does not need demonizing. He was an evil man and he should not be in power. But what people DON'T like is that the US took this upon themselves against the will of the Iraqi people, against the will of the muslim world and against the will of the UN. People aren't mad cuz saddam is gone. Good riddance to him. People are mad cuz of US arrogance.

The iraq invasion was not based on altruistic reasons. No country goes to war out of the goodness of their heart. Neither does it seem that saddam was so immediate a threat that he needed to be taken out.

One of the reasons stated on the website you posted was that he supported terrorists financially. Do you honestly mean to tell me that MANY MORE funds are not being directed to terrorists? OF COURSE THEY ARE. No nation is as disliked in the world ( save israel possibly) as the US is.

ALL US FOREGIN POLICY PLAYS STRAIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF ALQAEDA AND THE LOT.

US foreign policy consistently pisses people of so much they would die to get a pieace of ur collective asses. Smart politics?? not really.

But like i said many times. I'm just waiting till your violence backfires and the world can actually start mending stuff instead of you alpha male wannabe baboons waving your testicles about and beating ur chests.

Animals.. you and terrorists alike. Scream all you want old man, but you talk the talk of terrorists.

1) Does the US have- and use- WMDs inthe past? YES
2) Has the US ever allowed full and unfettered access to UN inspectors. HELL NO
3) Has the US abided by all UN resolutions? OF course, since they made sure they vetoed anything ( inspite of world opinion ) that was against US interests. Which btw is why the UN has never been successful. YOu bitch about an impotent UN. Dammit you MADE it impotent by creating the 5 permanent members of the security council.

Does the above make you a terrorist nation?

The US has a spectacular history of only applying rules to OTHERS but not feeling bound by them.

Saddam was an evil man. No doubt. But the case that he was an immediate threat to you have quite clearly been proven wrong. NO WMDs, NO ALQAEDA LINKS, NO NOTHIN.

HOWEVER, any animosity that the US experiences in the world the US arrogantly brought on itself.

9/11 was awful. I saw the whole thing on tv and it fucked me up int he head. I have never seen that type of destruction in my life. BUT that is not the same as being surprised. tell me this.. do you think anybody in the world was surprised that many many many peole would like to kick the shit out of the US.

Does it surprise you that EVEN MORE people want to kick the shit out off the US after this outright breach of international law. "preemtive strike" .. what an unbelievable crock of shit. Maybe AQ was preemptively striking the US when they bombed the WTC. Cuz they knew the americans were comin to get them. See it doesn't sound at all fair when the pre-emptive strike is against YOU

I am not demonizing anyone. I presented you with facts. Either prove the facts wrong or all you have is rhetoric. You stated Saddam had no ties to terrorism and Al Queda and my link says there were. I have given you my evidence showing the links of Saddam to terrorism; thereby refuting your rhetoric. Since you claim that the site is massively biased, you should have no trouble presenting facts to back that up. Are you going to show me where I am wrong or just more rhetoric? Are you just going to call names and insult or are you going to debate with some evidence? I'm not the one calling people baboons waving their testicles. You are the one calling names here pal. Looks like you're in over your head. Put up or shut up as we say in America.

You are right alias.. my debate here IS rhetorical. Only i am able to ADMIT it. The fact is the either side can present a myriad of "facts" to support any opinion they have. I specifically do NOT wish to provide links because i don't want to get into a debate about validity of sources.

The fact is that you DO demonize anyone who does not share the same opinions as you. I mean i have sat through some pretty vile insults to my religion, ethnicity and background.

Let's look at what i said though. My basic contention is that american foreign policy has made the US more unpopular, more unsafe for it's citizens and the US less relevant in international politics.

The US unilateralism in Iraq showed the world that it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, nor is the evidence at all important. The US does at it pleases with complete disregard for world opinion. Not many like that.

US support for some dictators while it condemns others, smacks of hypocrisy. Not many like that.

Us denial of nuclear technology to Iraq while it keeps stockpiling weapons is also hypocritical.

The Iraq invasion.

Unconditional support for Israel.

ABove things are something the US gov has been doing which has created MORE TERRORISTS in the world than any dictatorial regime in the world could do.

Antipathy to the US is not propoganda.. It's a direct result of US actions. It really helps AQ recruit LOTS of people.

The US is it's own worst enemy in the struggle for world peace. THat is what i have been saying. It doesn'ty need evidence. It's a cold hard fact. But if you watch fox you will never know what for instance the pakistani society thinks of america.

The link I provided for you is fact. You are the one who has stated repeatedly Saddam had no links to terrorism. I have given a link that states he did. That is not rhetoric. That is not my opinion. You may refute it at any time with your own link and facts and we can go back and forth. That is called debate.

We support people who are not a threat to us. We don't support people who are a threat to us. That is not hypocrisy. That is common sense. We don't care what Pakistani society thinks of us. Why would we? We live in America. Like I told you a while back, you've got enough problems where you are to fix before you try to tell us how to think and live. You're country is infested with terrorists and it's not our fault pal. It's the fault of your clerics who run those schools of hatred brainwashing children to hate the west, Jews, and Christians. You might want to work on that if you want to make a better world. Your priorities are skewed.

Look there is no point in finding a link for you to deny. because that is what you will do. As you have invariably done every time somebody else posted a link.

I agree completely. But that quite clearly means that morality does not influence which nations the US considers allies. Basically it does not matter whether there is a bloodthirsty ruler leading a country. What matters is whether they like the US or not.
That justifies support of the saudi tyrant. Fair enough.. That's what you call realpolitik.

That is perfectly true. You DO live in america. But you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you wish to not consider what the rest of the world think, then by all means go ahead. In fact i know MANY countries who would breathe a sigh of relief if the US just butted out.

But on the other hand if your nation wishes to police the world, then it MUST consider what the rest of the world thinks of it. Otherwise it becomes what?? yeeees.. a TYRANT. And we all know americans don't like tyrants.

Hey dude i aint invading your country, OR putting undue pressure, OR threatening sanctions, OR supporting rebels in your country. I am merely stating certain opinions.

You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about the fact that the Pakis must fix their own problems before they try to get others to fix theirs. CLean your own house first.

But the same goes for the US. THe US is far from being a perfect nation ( other than in your collective imagination). There is too much intereference and bullying going on, and i am suggesting the US stop that before it shoots itself in the foot ( again).

BTW you know who gives the bearded crazies material to spread hatred? It's unjust actions committed by the US AND the ensuing arrogant rejection of criticism that proves the hate rhetoric RIGHT.

YOu know how the terrorists really are as bad as you say? YOu really are as bad as the terrorists say americans are.

Both parties are nuts

Q- What did the Iraq War have to do with 9/11?
Bush Answer: Nothing

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911

My country does not have schools run by religious idiots preaching hatred for other races or religions. Your's does. The middle east has been a breeding ground for terrorism long before Bush became president. How far back do you want to go?

Now as far as Saddam, I can only assume you have been proven wrong in your argument that Saddam had no terrorist connections since you have provided no counter point. So far, we have established that Saddam was a terrorist and supporting terrorism. We have established that the Middle East is the breeding ground for terrorism, not George Bush. We have established that there are muslims in your part of the world who wish to take over the world and murder others who will not bow to Allah. Those are the facts. Your attempt at trying to make America the fault for muslims who murder innocent people is not gonna work. Face reality. You're religion has a cancer and you will not address it. America is not to blame for your disease.

That is really getting tired Hevusa. You need to find a new talking point. Why don't you ask this question.......What did Iraq have to do with terrorism? That is what the war is about.

More from the "religion of peace"...


Italian police were searching yesterday for a man suspected of involvement in the killing of a Pakistani woman after her father and uncle were charged with slitting her throat because she dated an Italian man and refused to conform to an Islamic lifestyle.

http://tinyurl.com/kjltq