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Old 08-06-2006, 03:32 AM   #191 (permalink)
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The law was changed: Congress restricted the court's right to rule on the issue. The court ignored the law.
Source? That's the first I've heard of it. I understand that an attempt was made by the House Republicans, but it was shot down by the Senate.
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Old 08-06-2006, 04:20 PM   #192 (permalink)
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Both, if they're Americans, and the Geneva Conventions if they're not. It's that simple.
Not really. Geneva convention protection generally only covers those whose governments have themselves ratified Geneva. For those armed bands which are simply, as a matter of law rogues, such people have to fit certain criteria to be covered.
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Source? That's the first I've heard of it. I understand that an attempt was made by the House Republicans, but it was shot down by the Senate.

It was passed by Congress and signed by the presidentr in December '05. The USSC did not have the authority to rule on the case. They worked around the issue.
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Here are some examples of Christian terrorism.
* October 2, 2004- Christian terrorist group kills 44 Hindus, wounds 118 in Northeast India.
* 2003- Preacher Michael Evans calls for a holy war and "cleansing" against non-Christians.
* January 16, 1997- Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs nightclub.
* July 27, 1996- Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs Centennial Olympic Park. Kills 1, wounds 111.
* April 19, 1995- Oklahoma City bombing
* 1989- Mormon group kills 5 people for opposing religious teachings.
* 1983- Posse Comitatus militia member Gordon Kahl kills two Federal marshals in North Dakota. Three others were wounded.
* 1978- Christian cult "the Peoples' Temple" leader Jim Jones allegedly kills 913 people with cyanide-laced Kool Aid. People trying to escape the compound are shot.
* 1976- Nearly 300 people are killed in Ireland as a result of bombings between Catholics and Protestants.
* 1940s- Terrorist organization Christian Identity is formed on the West Coast of the United States. Followers believe Armageddon will take place as a race war between Aryans, the "pure" people, against Jews, Muslims, and non-whites.

Here's a Christian terrorist group in Africa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

I'm sure you remember all of those abortion clinic bombings in the 90's.

There are also Jewish terrorists, unfortunately.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach

* In August 2005 Eden Natan-Zada, a Kach member, opened fire on an bus in Shfar'am killing four people and wounding 22.

* In February 1994 Baruch Goldstein, another Kach member, opened fire on Palestinian worshippers inside the Abraham Mosque in Hebron, killing twenty-nine people and wounding many others.

* In the 1980s The Makhteret, a resistance group with links to Kach, allegedly staged several attacks against Palestinian officials who were believed to have spearheaded various terrorist attacks against Israelis.

* Israeli authorities have foiled Makhteret's plans to blow up the al-Aqsa Mosque (Dome of the Rock).


Every family's got them, and by them, I mean insane terrorist wackos.
Cults who use the name Christian don't count. When you find some Baptists, Luterans, Presbyterians, Episcolpalians, Foursquare, Assemblies of God, etc. Then let me know. People say Hitler was a Christian also, but I have yet to find a speech where he said he was killing in the name of Jesus. Muslims are killing in the name of Allah. Find me some people who are killing in the name of Jesus and I'll give you credit for making your point.
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It's called "innocent until proven guilty."

The law exists to protect people. Clearly, it is being misused, abused, and ignored by the executive branch.

It has never been the case that foreigners engaged in millitary action against the USA have American Constitutional rights.

It is not at all clear that the executive is abusing the law. i am seeing an argument developing that the executive cannot execute his constitutional powers without permission and clearance from the legislative and judicial branches.

What do the courts know about prosecuting a war against terrorism?
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It's called "innocent until proven guilty."

We have no idea whether these guys are actually terrorists or not, except for the executive branch's assurances. Worse yet, they've been wrong a few times so far.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in634354.shtml
A gentleman was held in unregulated hell for two years and then released without charges. The man was tortured. how nice.

Here's a German fellow who was held in a secret prison in Afghanistan for five months, before they decided he wasn't a terrorist. He decided to go on vacation to Macedonia... And well, it was probably the worst vacation ever. I don't know how else one would describe what happened. Then, the lawsuit is dismissed because it might pose a threat to national security. The guy was kidnapped and tortured in a black site by the US government, and he's shit out of luck.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051802107.html

The law exists to protect people. Clearly, it is being misused, abused, and ignored by the executive branch.

The only problem is letting them go may end up with untold numbers of Americans being killed. If we keep the trash locked up until this is over all we have done is keep another piece of trash from walking the streets looking for ways to kill Americans. They aren't being kept there for robbing gas stations. Evidently, they have some connection to terrorism and that is who we are fighting. Did we ever let prisoners of war loose during WWII before the war was over? I'd like to know?
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Not really. Geneva convention protection generally only covers those whose governments have themselves ratified Geneva. For those armed bands which are simply, as a matter of law rogues, such people have to fit certain criteria to be covered.
Actually, the Geneva conventions apply to the country holding the prisoners. America ratified them.
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Old 08-06-2006, 05:21 PM   #198 (permalink)
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It was passed by Congress and signed by the presidentr in December '05. The USSC did not have the authority to rule on the case. They worked around the issue.
Source please. Making up more crap is not a source. Here's a dictionary definition if you need help.

source Audio pronunciation of "source" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sôrs, srs)
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1. The point at which something springs into being or from which it derives or is obtained.
2. The point of origin, such as a spring, of a stream or river. See Synonyms at origin.
3. One that causes, creates, or initiates; a maker.
4. One, such as a person or document, that supplies information: A reporter is only as reliable as his or her sources.
5. Physics. The point or part of a system where energy or mass is added to the system.
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Cults who use the name Christian don't count. When you find some Baptists, Luterans, Presbyterians, Episcolpalians, Foursquare, Assemblies of God, etc. Then let me know. People say Hitler was a Christian also, but I have yet to find a speech where he said he was killing in the name of Jesus. Muslims are killing in the name of Allah. Find me some people who are killing in the name of Jesus and I'll give you credit for making your point.
Well, I think Wahabism could be construed as a cult. You can't just say that anyone who calls himself a Christian but doesn't agree with you is a cult member.
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It has never been the case that foreigners engaged in millitary action against the USA have American Constitutional rights.
Hence the existence of "international law." I mentioned that non-Americans would be and should be covered by the Geneva Conventions. There are Americans who are being held too, and they should be afforded their rights by the Constitution.

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It is not at all clear that the executive is abusing the law. i am seeing an argument developing that the executive cannot execute his constitutional powers without permission and clearance from the legislative and judicial branches.

What do the courts know about prosecuting a war against terrorism?
Last time I checked, it doesn't say that the executive can suspend all rights for some people based on a vague threat. It says "clear and present danger."

This is not a clear and present danger. It is muddled. There is no nation of terrorism.

The courts have the power of Judicial Review, and I'm sure the SCOTUS knows everything the President does. It'd be pretty dysfunctional if the POTUS wasn't sharing important information, wouldn't it?
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