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Originally Posted by alias Do you respect the beliefs of a religion that tells it's believers to not make friends with Jews or Christians and degrades women? I sure don't. | I don't respect a religion that belittles homosexuals and women. That is certainly true of Christianity. Whether or not you want to believe it 99.9% of Islamic people are very peaceful and friendly.
There are many translations to what you are referring to in regards to making friends. That is just one interpretation.
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08-08-2006, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by alias It is my OPINION that Islam is a cult along with numerous other Christians. | ... Which is all well and good, but worthless in a debate. If you can't prove your position, then it just proves that your position is weak. Also, as I've mentioned before, just because some people think something, it doesn't make it true. It's a logical fallacy to claim that belief is evidence of anything. You're also begging the question.
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08-08-2006, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dylan ... Which is all well and good, but worthless in a debate. If you can't prove your position, then it just proves that your position is weak. Also, as I've mentioned before, just because some people think something, it doesn't make it true. It's a logical fallacy to claim that belief is evidence of anything. You're also begging the question. | Peggy Sue nailed it quite well. Here it is:
A cult uses and exploits it members through psychological legerdemain.
The leaders demand certain behavior and get it from mind control (teaching youngsters to hate Jews, for example) and from teaching the people to be too dependent on the leaders for approval and guidance. There is an excess of being devoted to a person such as mohammad and the idea of being in allah's army to defeat the non-believers (infidels).
The goals of the leaders (mullahs) are important to the members even when behavior is not good for the members (teaching young 'volunteers' to strap bombs to their bodies and how to get in to crowded places to take out as many civilians as possible). Families of suicide bombers would be taught to look forward to the martyrdom of their son. The mullahs don't do as they tell their followers to do; I've never read of a muslim leader strapping a bomb to himself.
There is also the matter of being required to pray at certain times of the day, no matter what one is doing prior to the call to prayer. The clothing and behavior restrictions on female members are extreme and the rules lend themselves to the objectfication of the female members.
Scientology falls in the category of a cult as do other recent groups such as the Jim Jones group, (I don't remember their name), and the group that thought they'd hop onto a comet after committing suicide. http://tinyurl.com/hdyff
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08-08-2006, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hevusa I don't respect a religion that belittles homosexuals and women. That is certainly true of Christianity. Whether or not you want to believe it 99.9% of Islamic people are very peaceful and friendly.
There are many translations to what you are referring to in regards to making friends. That is just one interpretation. | Bullshit. The Koran is the Koran and it says what it says. You just stated you don't respect a religion that belittles homosexuals and women. Therefore, by your own words you don't respect Islam.
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08-09-2006, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by alias Bullshit. The Koran is the Koran and it says what it says. You just stated you don't respect a religion that belittles homosexuals and women. Therefore, by your own words you don't respect Islam. |
I don't respect Islam any more than I do Christianity. All are dishonest, immoral, liars since they claim knowledge of God.
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08-09-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hevusa I don't respect Islam any more than I do Christianity. All are dishonest, immoral, liars since they claim knowledge of God. | Don't backtrack too fast there Hevusa. You might get your wheels stuck in the mud. |
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