intangible child

In draft legislation prepared in response to last month’s Supreme Court decision against the use of military tribunals for US prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, the Bush administration proposes to extend the practice of indefinite detention and summary trial by military commissions to include American citizens.

According to press accounts Friday, based on leaks from those with access to the draft, the bill would essentially legalize the military tribunals in the form decreed by Bush in 2001, with only minor changes, while for the first time making US citizens as well as foreign nationals subject to such summary proceedings.

The tribunals, commissions of active-duty military personnel under orders of the president as commander-in-chief, would have the power to impose death sentences based on secret evidence and in proceedings from which the defendants could be excluded whenever military judges decided this was “necessary to protect national security.”

The Washington Post reported that the draft legislation had initially reaffirmed the 2001 Bush order that limited the jurisdiction of the military commissions to “alien enemy combatants.” This language was crossed out, the newspaper said, and replaced by language giving the commissions authority to try anyone “engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners,” regardless of nationality.
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Jefferson

Knock, knock, knock...

"Hello! Anybody home in there? Hello!?!?!"

alias

“This language was crossed out, the newspaper said, and replaced by language giving the commissions authority to try anyone “engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners,” regardless of nationality".

All I can say to you unintelligable child is you better damn well behave yourself. As for me, I don't have to worry because I am not hostile to the USA or it's coalition partners.

Katczinsky

Its extending it not to just alien 'hostiles' but to American citizens. Even if Americans are hostile to the United States, that doesn't somehow take away their rights to due process and habeas corpus.

“Engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners,” regardless of nationality" is very vague. That could mean the government could withold specific trial rights of American citizens simply because they had plans to bomb a federal building or something.

I can't believe you defend this blatant threat upon our freedoms and rights as American citizens.

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alias

Correct. I agree with you. If someone has plans to bomb a federal building or something, I want that person stopped any way possible. To hell with his "rights". Saving innocent American lives is worth more to me than some murderer's so-called "rights". Everyone has priorities and it's obvious yours are for the criminal instead of the victim.

Katczinsky

Agree with me? Do you ever read my posts? You're disagreeing with me.

I can't believe what I'm reading. Does the bill of rights mean anything to you? How about the right to due process, habeas corpus? I'm not anti-American for defending an American citizens' rights, criminal or not: you're anti-american for suggesting our criminals should give up their rights.

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alias

If someone has information that some idiot is going to blow up a building full of innocent people, I don't care how they stop him. You do. Your preoccupation with rights for criminals will get a lot of innocent people killed. Mine will only get one (perhaps) innocent person killed.

Katczinsky

Are you missing the point or are you too blinded by a smog of fear?

This bill, if extended to American citizens, can withold people's rights under the fourth, fifth, sixth, and/or seventh Amendments in the Bill of Rights soley based on the fact that the government suspects them as being "hostile to the United States and allies" which is of itself very broad and circumstantial unless the legislation details it more. It has nothing to do with actually stopping such attacks, and everything to do with his/her detainment, treatment, and trial. When will you actually read what people write?

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alias

Great. If the government has reason to suspect American citizens are hostile to the United States, I want them to withold their rights for as long as necessary. Just because you think this war is a joke, does not mean the rest of us are mentally retarded.

Katczinsky

That is unconstitutional, and against the law. If you want that, go to China: this is America buddy.

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